Lennox Lewis. Does he have some holes in his legacy?

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  1. Halfordscream

    Halfordscream Global Full Member

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    Wow.
    Same moronic contention(s) from start to finish ...

    Let's consider who was "lucky" in this fight.

    What was the status of the cuts on Vitali's face? Were they modest, negligible, or superficial cuts? Were they improving, healing, or do you imagine them disappearing in the second half of the fight? Would six more rounds of punches been the perfect remedy to their condition? Would Lennox have ignored them and focused his punches elsewhere out of sympathy for the remainder of the fight? Or, would he have targeted them with impunity? Would blood loss have continued? Does blood ever get in the eyes and cause problems? Would vision impairment and blood loss be irrelevant or pertinent to a fighter's performance? How would Vitali's eye have been after twelve rounds if after six rounds a doctor deemed it quite severe and requiring an intervention to protect Vitali's health, eyesight, well-being, and athletic future? Is an injury static and thus "as bad as it was going to get" by the sixth round?

    Clown "thoughts" from Alfred *********'s grandkids:

    Headbut (sic) and racking (sic) with glove laces caused the cuts on Vitali Klitschko

    Vitali was fine ... sixty stitches would have merely been one hundred and twenty stitches if the unethical and bought off doctor had just let the fight continue .. the eye was no big deal. I know because I sit on my ass with more hours on the internet posting than time ever spent exercising and though I get sores on my ass I never need more than a few stitches so clearly I can attest that Vitali was in terrific condition (after all "Vitali had plenty left and showed it once he learned the fight was stopped"). If not for the obvious conspiracy to help the black guy with the razor blades hidden inside his beard I'm certain that Vitali was about use the profound knowledge he derived from his doctoral thesis on "Talent and Sponsorship in Sports" which led to the conferment of the surely non-gratis PhD in "Sports Science" to grow a new eye or perhaps an ample eye shield (if he really focused and concentrated) to dominate the next six rounds.

    Lewis garbed (sic) Vital (sic) and put his weight down on him. Watch in in slow motion, then flopped on top of him and used his glove to push off Vitali instead of the mat. Possible (sic) this was done to test Vitali's knee?
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Mendoza is a re***d who continuously feels the need to demonstrate it The Klit Bros can do no wrong as far as he is concerned.
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    He recently said Lewis was more damaged facially than Vitali.

    He also said Lewis was not overweight, he weighed in in street clothes.

    Photos of Lewis in the ring with his hands held high in victory show minimal damage , whereas Vitali's face after the fight was a grotesque mess. A picture of Lewis ,on the scales weighing in wearing just boxer shorts was also an inconvenient fact for him to digest.

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  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As long as you know you're in you're own little fantasy world in which the guy who wins the last round is going to be too tired to continue, even though to my knowledge there's never been a heavyweight champion who lost due to exhaustion, and Lewis himself has never lost even one fight due to exhaustion, but haters gotta hate, so why let a little common sense and logic get in the way.

    And in your fantasy world, Lewis would have to have won 4 out of the last 6 rounds to have won the fight, as if that eye would have lasted that long, Vitali would have literally finished the fight 1/2 blind because he would most certainly have lost that eye. The doctor said there are a lot of nerves located exactly where that cut was.

    And Vitali had so much left that the last 20 seconds of the 6th round he was hanging onto Lewis like an octopus.

    It was Lewis, not Vitali, who threw the last 3-4 meaningful punches. Watch at the 20 second mark for the last round, Lewis clearly had Klitschko hurt with a right and was trying to create space to finish him off and Klitschko was literally hanging on for dear life.

    As for comments outside the ring, since when is talking after an adrenaline filled fight meaningful? And in case you missed it he didn't absolutely guarantee a rematch, he said if the money was right..apparently it wasn't.

    So are you also going to criticise Tyson for not eating Lewis' kids?
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    I see the old "Vitali was up 4 rounds to 2" argument has been recycled and put into action.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Wlad is a clean fighter. Cleaner than most for sure. Far cleaner then Lewis. That's a fact.

    We are not talking about low blows, head butt's, hitting the on break and such, as done by your boxing idol's. Yet you never mention that. You’re the king of double standards and a Welcher. Be gone
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And it will no doubt re-surface at a suitable interval.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Also known as he was winning before he lost.
     
  8. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Very true. Vitali was up 4-2 on all three cards. This means a dead tired Lewis ( more on that later ) would need to win 4 of the next 6 rounds on at least two cards to produce a draw.

    Max Kellerman, who was a Klitschko antagonists back then said he never saw Lewis as tired when he crashed down hard on his stool to end round six. Meanwhile Vitali had plenty left and showed it once he learned the fight was stopped.

    Lewis acted like an @ss in the post fight interviews, grabbing the mike with his hands from Merchant, and saying he would give a re-match. 18+ million was up for Lewis. He talked like an active fighter, tried to make other fights, and stalled. Then the WBC ordered the re-match, and Lewis quietly retired.

    He knew he would lose the re-match. By saying it multiple times, and not doing it, its a hole in his legacy. Everyone in boxing was buzzing about the re-match

    I quoted Max Kellerman here. Lewis was tired. Vitali's cut was under control and if you think he was blinded, how did he win rounds from 3-6? Please do tell.

    We are not going to agree.

    At any case, Lewis ran from the re-match. He knew better.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    I don't give a flying fvck what Kellerman has to say about a fight I've seen a dozen times myself. What about Foreman, he kept saying the fight should be stopped because of the eye. He repeated it several times.

    So according to you this was a bad stoppage, and the doctor and ref's had no idea what they were doing? Is that your position?

    Do you understand what the doctor's job is when he's watching the fight, cause you don't appear to comprehend what he does?

    His sole job is to ensure the fighters are medically fit to continue fighting and don't sustain any permanent damage as a result of the fight.

    So if the eye was under control why did the doctor stop the fight?

    Here's the answer.

    The doctor was pointing to something called nerve damage imminent if the fight continued and said Vitali couldn't see in a particular direction unless he moved his head.

    Man you must really hate the guy to want him to loose an eye just to satisfy some fantasy. I don't know how old you are but I'm in my 50's and I don't recall another fight in which more damage was inflicted that never resulted in serious brain damage or death. Doesn't that picture of Vitali at the end of the fight with blood all over him and cuts in 3 or 4 places cause you any concern? At the end of the fight he was also swallowing blood from a cut to his lip.

    If you think Lewis was going to just collapse on his stool when his opponent looks like he was hit by a truck, after winning the previous round big, you're more delusional than most.
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    VA,

    The eye was in no worse shape than it was when the cut happened. It was bleeding far less. Why not stop it in round three? The stoppage came as a surprise in round six. I've seen you defend Lewis multiple times in this thread on other topics.

    You must be a fan of his, which explains a lot to me. I do think Lewis was tired, and though he wasn't cut over the eye ( it was his nose ), his eyes were the more swollen of the two.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course he was tired, they both were, but he wasn't tired enough to just give up when he knew his opponent was hurt.

    Can you imagine the public outcry if Lewis just quite because of exhaustion? Many fighters especially Lewis, who spend close to 15 years establishing his legacy, would sooner get knocked out than loose like that.

    Try giving me a list of heavyweight champions of the world who quite due to exhaustion. I'm curious what this list would look like.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My honest opinion is that they should have stopped this fight earlier than they did. If it wasn't a title fight, I'm sure they would have.
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You totally missed the point,it was a reference to your idiosyncratic spelling you chump!
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No they weren't and I posted photos that proves you are lying! here they are again LIAR!

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    Below is Lewis immediately after his victory ,still in the ring ,show me the damage to his
    face!

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    You are a congenital LIAR!
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You still don't understand.

    Even though you're wrong and Lewis' eyes were not swollen more than Vitali's it wouldn't matter if they were.

    Why?

    Because the issue is that Vitali's cut above the eye was close to a nerve and had he continued he was risking permanent eye damage.

    How hard is that concept to grasp?

    In addition to that, according to the doctor, Vitali had to turn his head to actually see punches coming, so he was starting to get hit with punches he couldn't see.

    These are both vastly different than swollen eyes, unless the swelling is bad enough to actually close one of the eyes.