How highly does Calzaghe's ATG ranking increase due to Froch struggling with Kessler?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015.


Page 1 of 3
  1. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,549
    46
    Sep 3, 2012
    As we all know Joe Calzaghe beat Kessler easily almost a decade ago. The fight wasn't close at all and wasn't even looked upon as a phenomenal win for Calzaghe at the time. Just another good opponent like Eubank.

    Now almost a decade later the young upstart Carl Froch is considered "an ATG" due to just about going 1-1 by the skin of his teeth with a version nearly ten years past his best. This result (going 1-1 with an old shop worn Kessler) is the pinnacle of Carl Froch's career.

    Well if Froch just about sc-raping a draw with Kessler made Froch an ATG just how great really was Calzaghe's win over the prime Kessler? Where does this leave Calzaghe in the grand scheme of things?
     
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    #1
  2. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,527
    1,051
    Jan 17, 2015
    Big fan of both Joe and Froch but lets face facts.........Joe though a primed Kessler...........Froch did not!
     
    Bensub, Mar 3, 2015
    Bensub, Mar 3, 2015
    #2
  3. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

    34,376
    11,881
    Apr 19, 2010
    yeah i know what you mean

    similar in the way mitchell owned presscott

    where does mitchell get ranked seen as presscott blew khan right out of the water
     
    ashishwarrior, Mar 3, 2015
    ashishwarrior, Mar 3, 2015
    #3
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    58,748
    21,596
    Nov 24, 2005
    Froch isn't an ATG.
     
    Unforgiven, Mar 3, 2015
    Unforgiven, Mar 3, 2015
    #4
  5. wayne189

    wayne189 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,215
    859
    Jul 8, 2013
    If froch fights and beats ward who will rank higher then
     
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    #5
  6. Barry Smith

    Barry Smith Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,570
    23
    Aug 13, 2012
    True and neither is Calzaghe.
     
    Barry Smith, Mar 3, 2015
    Barry Smith, Mar 3, 2015
    #6
  7. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

    2,249
    601
    Feb 6, 2014
    Hmm....two of the most opposite fighters to compare really. Shame they both come from the UK and overlapped career/opponents otherwise they'd get more credit in their own right.

    What I will say though is that Froch has by far and away the more enviable record IMO. Histroy will show this I believe. If you're going to say 'Your best win is against an over the hill fighter' to Froch.....really.....what the fu¢k do you say to 'zaghe??
     
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    #7
  8. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,410
    980
    Jul 11, 2012
    In a way... who cares? Know what I mean?
     
    Camaris, Mar 3, 2015
    Camaris, Mar 3, 2015
    #8
  9. wayne189

    wayne189 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,215
    859
    Jul 8, 2013
    I actually think a prime benn, Eubank and watson were better then either clazaghe or froch
     
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    #9
  10. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

    2,249
    601
    Feb 6, 2014
    :good
     
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    #10
  11. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,985
    132
    Apr 27, 2013
    That's how I see it.
     
    ribtickler68, Mar 3, 2015
    ribtickler68, Mar 3, 2015
    #11
  12. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,549
    46
    Sep 3, 2012
    How? The pinnacle of Froch's career is just about going 1-1 with and old shop worn Kessler and losing every single round while stepping up his one and only time to elite level against Andre Ward. That can't be compared with what Calzaghe achieved.
     
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    #12
  13. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

    2,249
    601
    Feb 6, 2014
    Yeah, you have your opinion (and that's all it is). Some of the phrasing you use is 'shop-worn' itself on this forum.

    Froch, in my opinion, has operated at the same level Calzaghe ever did, more often and in more entertaining fashion. I believe Calzaghe beats Froch in a prime-for-prime scenario but I much prefer Froch as a prize-fighter.

    ATG ranking...? You decide.
     
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    FartWristedBum, Mar 3, 2015
    #13
  14. wayne189

    wayne189 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,215
    859
    Jul 8, 2013
    Neither are ATG and never will be
     
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    wayne189, Mar 3, 2015
    #14
  15. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,549
    46
    Sep 3, 2012
    [yt]?v=EAp3hh8Tx_k[/yt]
     
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    Mr. Iron Chin, Mar 3, 2015
    #15
Page 1 of 3