Ray Leonard v Tommy Burns

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Ray from the Lalonde fight against any version of Tommy Burns you care to pick.

    Who ya got over 12 rounds?
     
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  2. LittleRed

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    Ray never lost to a Canadian in his life.
     
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  3. Colonel Sanders

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    This is an obvious case of technical draw.
     
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  4. pablod

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    Put them in 4oz gloves with a 20 round distance and who knows? burns is naturally bigger and very clever, although ray leonard is obviously dazzling.
    I go with burns awkward backfoot countering style and natural strength to give leonard problems who I see getting increasingly frustrated, and getting caught more and more coming in. by the end leonard is taking a beating and the police stop the fight in round 18
     
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  5. Unforgiven

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    Burns I think.
     
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  6. Seamus

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    I don't think the one getting frustrated will be named Ray.
     
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    Burns.

    There are weight classes for a reason.
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Burns weighed 168 against Johnson.

    Leonard weight 165 against Lalonde.
     
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  9. janitor

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    Because that is really a like for like comparison right?

    The bottom line is that Leonard's best work was all at welterweight, and he only fought at middleweight very late in his career.

    Burn's best work was more in the light heavyweight category.
     
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  10. Seamus

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    That's slanted but valid. Leonard did beat a dominant middleweight champion through guile and skill. I would not diminish that accomplishment. He also KO'd a guy that Hamsho, Leslie Stewart, Czyz and Virgil Hill couldn't.

    Now, more importantly, have a look-see at Burn's chin-up, wide-legged stance... his chin-first attacks with zero upperbody movement...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klrGFMKgclY

    How is that going to go over against a lateral moving, pinpoint punching, quicker Leonard?
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Pretty well I would venture.

    Which version of Leonard do you favor for this task out of curiosity?
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Which stiff, wide stanced, upperbodily immobile fighter did well against Leonard?

    And I am not picking Leonard but I would go with the Hagler/Lalonde version.
     
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    Jack Twin Sullivan was certainly able to out-smart and out-think Burns. I think Leonard is a fair bet to do so.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    So you're picking Burns ?
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm hedging a bit.

    Lalonde hurt Leonard with a right hand. I'm sure Burns could. However, Burns was rather linear and predictable and came straight in, head up, chin out, which against Leonard, who was taller and as long as Burns, that would be consistent problem.

    Put a gun to my head and I will pick Leonard.

    And thus is our discussion of a heavyweight champion whose chances against a modern welter are questionable.
     
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