Primo Carnera vs Rocky Marciano

The gloves would even out wouldn't ,they and if anything favour the bigger man. Carnera was on a winning streak when he met Haynes and was only 29 years old ,problem was no one gave Haynes a script to read and follow.

 

I don't think it is quite so simple. Wouldn't Joe Louis prefer to use smaller gloves against a bigger man?

Yes it works both ways, the bigger man can hit harder too with smaller gloves but he is not going to land or fire as many blows is he? We have all seen how destructive the results of MMA inferior punching is with gloves as small as the 1930s era.

Carnera was on a good run. In fact the Neusell win was proberbly his best fight "on the level". But his weight was as a high as 280 earlier in his career and as low as 238. I think I read one time that he had some debilitating illness during his career? It was body punching that crippled him against Haynes.

Marciano beats the pants off Carnera. I just don't think it would be a good fight.

 

Only the first kd of the Baer fight was from a really good punch,....after he went down from it, Carnera messed up his ankle, and many halfassed shots from Baer were able to deck Primo. It's like the first Patterson-Ingo fight....that first big right hand was a missile, and many sloppy, half strength shots from Ingo put him down afterwards, though not from Patterson having a bad ankle, and not being able to steady himself.

 

Primo wouldn't have gone down so many times if his ankle was alright, but I suspect that Baer would have ended it anyway with some high octane power shots like what was in that first big right that hit the Italian.

 

If Sharkey was able to deck Primo, then Rocky would have ko'ed him....he would have hurt him a lot more than Sharkey did.

 

Nuesel didnt display
a great deal of ambition in that fight from what

I remember reading, he retired with a cut eye.

 

a mismatch, like Wlad versus Sanders, and ends the sae way (though primo lasts longer).

 

On boxrec it says:


1935-11-01 : Walter Neusel 201 lbs lost to Primo Carnera 268 lbs by TKO at 2:23 in round 4 of 10
Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
Referee: Arthur Donovan
Judge: Bill Healy
Judge: Billy Joh
No knockdowns -- Neusel cut in fourth and "retired" to his corner
"Primo Carnera, trying for a comeback, emerged from the smoky haze of MSG last night with a TKO victory over Walter Neusel, the blond German heavyweight. Refusing to be floored under a barrage of ponderous, sweeping lefts, Neusel threw up his hands and quit in the 4th round after Carnera inflicted a deep cut over his eye with a massive flying elbow. As blood spurted from the cut, Neusel's seconds jumped into the ring with a towel, but he beat them to the draw, walking away from the grimacing Carnera to his corner. The first blow of any consequence in the initial round swept Neusel halfway across the ring and nearly through the ropes. From that first blow to the end, Carnera mussed up Neusel at will, grinning and wielding the troublesome left that had sweeping power but not enough jolt to deliver a knockout." -Associated Press
Attendance - 12,768
Gate - $31,621.53

Sounds like Primo was effective with that sweeping power. Neusell was riding prety high back then. Wins over a lot of British, Euro level guys and respectable scalps in the USA over the likes Tommy Laughran, Stanley Poreda and King Levinsky.

 

It's a ref's fight. If Primo is allowed to hug and lay all over him he could squeeze out an ugly d vision purely based upon n size. In any sort of fight Marciano beats him down in a nasty way.

 

Sweeping power ,without the jolt to score a ko sounds like a contradiction in terms to me.
Eighteen months after this Neusel was kod by light hitting Tommy Farr. If Carnera had sweeping power he should surely have dropped Neusel. I think Neusel got out of the ring just about as quickly as he could.

 

I think bit about Primo knocking Walter "from one side of the ring to the other and almost through the ropes out of the ring" describes sweeping power accurately enough. Massive power that was difficult to contain within pinpoint punching but his swipes, pokes and shoves were plenty effective enough against all but the elite of the day.

Big guys fighting good smaller guys who hit hard cannot fully extend or follow through for fear of being one timed. Against faster guys much of their potency is reduced as they poke and prod the smaller guy out of range with extended arms using the end of a punch

Being so big and bulky compared to his opposition restricted Primo some what. Walter got off to a bad start and literally could not get a foot hold. It happens, but he was a good fighter.

 

Carnera has two kos of any real note on his record ,the Sharkey one, the authenticity of which is still debated today and the one over Schaaf who should not have been in the ring and who was a tragedy waiting to happen
Primo Carnera did not possess "massive power" that is the bottom line.
.End of.

 

he had good power due to his size.

at that size you cant fail to have good power.

massive is pushing it though.

 

Size does not equate to power
Compare Bob Foster with Harold Johnson, Foster was a string bean, Johnson had muscles coming out of his ears.
Who was the puncher of the two?

Bob Fitzsimmons was a harder puncher than Jim Jeffries though he was 45lbs lighter.

Joe Choynski was rated the hardest puncher by :
Jeffries, Fitzsimons,Corbett and Johnson , he was a super middleweight by todays standards.

Sandy Saddler was a huge puncher , but built like a stick insect.

Ed DunkHorst was over 300 pounds but could not punch, like-wise giant Edward Potgeiter.
And more recently Mike The Giant White , Julius Long.

Nicolai Valuev is the biggest heavyweight to ever hold the title ,he had less than average power.

Look at Carnera's ko vicitms, look at his ko percentage and
ask yourself why :
No one rates him as a puncher ?
He appears in no lists of all time punchers?
He is absent from the Rings all time ko artists list?

 

It is simple. Primo was too big to time a correct punch against a world class, smaller, fighter. Put him against a guy the same size and he might find a bit of jolting whip and snap.