Does Erik Morales have a strong case for???

Go back to general.

 

No he isn't. He is the same era as RJJ and Hopkins and Mayweather and clearly behind them all. And he does have clear losses, the 1st and 3rd MAB fights.

He also didn't fight everyone, he didn't fight Mayweather, Corrales and Casamayor at 130 who all wanted him and MAB circa 2000 when they were at 126. And he didn't fight Hamed, Marquez, Norwood or Gainer at 126. And he didn't face Bungu at 122.

 

I don't think there was ever a point it could be argued he was the greatest fighter active.

Still, a strong case for being one of the all time greats of his time.

Absurdly great resume with the super wins over MAB and Pac.

Than on the next tier really excellent wins over Junior Jones, Kevin Kelly, Paulie Ayala, Jin Chi. Also Jesus Chavez, Hernandez, McCullough,...Than you have some great performances in defeat against MAB and the past prime efforts against Diaz and Maidana.

 

Well you're wrong and he clearly got outboxed by Espadas and received a gift in their first fight.

And Morales was protected a bit by Arum at this time, Mayweather was facing all comers at this stage.

 

Who do you feel Morales was protected from and when? Mayweather was facing all comers at Super Feather and Morales was facing all comes at Super Bantam and Feather.

Hamed/Morales was supposed to happen, but Hamed lost to MAB.

"he didn't fight Mayweather, Corrales and Casamayor at 130 "

Morales didn't move to Super Feather until late 2003. Mayweather was fighting for LW titles in 2002.




Title Vacant

1. [url]Joel Casamayor[/url]
2. [url]Jesus Chavez[/url]
3. [url]Carlos Alberto Hernandez[/url]
4. [url]Erik Morales[/url]
5. [url]Diego Corrales[/url]

Morales fought Chavez and Hernandez while Corrales/Casa traded wins, and I don't think anyone is going to hold fighting MAB and Pacman in super fights next against him. Casamayor and Corrales would already be moved up to Lightweight in 2004, leaving the scene like this:

1. [url]Marco Antonio Barrera[/url]
2. [url]Erik Morales[/url]
3. [url]Jesus Chavez[/url]
4. [url]Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai[/url]
5. [url]Carlos Alberto Hernandez[/url]

Who did he miss of importance, who was he being protected from? Men who were always in higher weight classes and when the timing was right were not regarded as highly as the men he ultimately fought? Who in 2004 thought Corrales and Casa was better than MAB or Pac?

RING P4P 2004

1. [url]Bernard Hopkins[/url]
2. [url]Floyd Mayweather Jr.[/url]
3. [url]Kostya Tszyu[/url]
4. [url]Ronald (Winky) Wright[/url]
5. [url]Manny Pacquiao[/url]
6. [url]Juan Manuel Marquez[/url]
7. [url]Marco Antonio Barrera[/url]
8. [url]Erik Morales[/url]
9. [url]Glen Johnson[/url]
10. [url]Antonio Tarver[/url]

 

How is he wrong? The third fight in particular was pretty close. You actually dispute that?

 

Not really, since he was coming off a razor thin loss to Barrera. And the eye injury was enough for people to in retrospect correctly assume, Pac was hindered and would do better in a rematch.

 

Roy Jones and Mike Tyson from the same era? Tyson had been world champion as a pro for 2 years by the time Jones was getting robbed in the Olympic games. Jones was pretty generally accepted as number one in the sport up until 2004. Weird, strange thread.

 

If he had just convincingly beat Barrera you would have a case, but he did not.

I don't like the "best in the world on that night" argument. It could apply to too many fighters. The Pac fight is sandwhiched between two losses.

If he took out both MAB and Pac convincingly, I could see a case. But as is, I don't.