Does Erik Morales have a strong case for???

Close yes, could of gone the other way? No, it was 1 of those very clear closer fights

No he didn't but Mayweather did call out Hamed and Morales when he was at 126 as he was a champ and struggling to make weight. Morales, Marquez and Mayweather were all with Arum and on HBO so they were natural fights.

Yet he had 8 fights at FW and couldn't fight Marquez or Norwood. Marquez didn't fight Morales recently because he was still annoyed that Morales hadn't give him the shot back then, Arum/Morales also turned down the Hamed fight before Barrera faced Hamed.

Casamayor and Corrales were far and way the best at 130 when Morales moved up and both wanted to fight him. Corrales then couldn't make weight anymore but Cassamayor could. Chavez and Hernandez were inferior opponents.

Casamayor called out Morales for quite a long time and talked about coming back down to 130 to make the Morales fight while at 135. Most in the know considered Casa a better 130lber to MAB in '04 who was considered past it and too small at 130 at the time. Casamayor for many was undefeated at the time, all his losses being controversial affairs.

At 122 he didn't face the longest reigning belt holder in Bungu. Jones was coming off a brutal KO loss to Mkkinney the fight before he fought Morales.

Morales does have a very good resume, but he was somewhat carefully managed by Arum at the time. He still fought some of the best but to say he didn't 'duck' or 'avoid' anyone is blatantly untrue, although some may consider it Arum's choice and not Morales.

 

I thought MAB edged the third fight but can't be bothred to argue if someone felt Morales edged it or even a draw.

So? Nobody says a fighter has to move up in weight because someone higher calls them out. Especially if there is still profitable options within their own class.

So of three Arum fighters who didn't fight each other at this time, why single out Morales as the one being protected and select one as "taking on call comers?"

Norwood? The guy retired with a knockout loss when Morales was having his first FW fight. Are you just desperately pulling names out of a hat without any forethought now.

Marquez looks like a great must have name...now. Not so much than.

Yep, and Chavez and Hernandez were rated above Corrales at this time according to RING. They also had major titles that Morales unified. Corrales and Casa did not. Major World Titles do matter to a fighter, they are leverage/money, and will almost always take priority, especially to a fighter new to the weight class.

But he didn't did he, and Pacman and Barrera are certainly going to take priority over Casa rather he was willing to come down or not.

There's this other guy you just claimed took on all comers and wasn't protected, but for some reason was also unable to make a fight with Casa at tihs time...despite in this case actually being a Champion in the same weight class with him.

So I'm having a real hard time grasping why one guy "took on all comers" and this other guy was "protected" Your logic isn't consistent or sticking.

 

This topic is a thinly veiled attempt to (1) elevate Pacquiao's status (2) demote Marquez and Mayweather's status.

It belongs in General and the poster is probably someone's alt.

 

Putting it that way makes more sense.

Depends on what you mean by era. I think Morales and Barrera are neck and neck in their own time. As known, I'm not a fan of Jones' resume and I don't think he stacks up with these guys, neither does Hopkins at this point. I feel Oscar has the better resume if you feel he won at least three of the Quartey, Whitaker, Trinidad, and Mosley II fights as I do.

 

He did not, he officially beat Whitaker, Chavez, Hernadez, and Quartet.

Regardless of what corrupt or incompetent judges said, he clearly beat Trinidad and Mosley 2

I wouldn't bring up Sturm since Morlaes faired far worse when he tackled higher weight classes on decline.

 

It's not too top heavy to compare with when it mainly consists of MAB...a fighter he arguably lost the series against and who was not clearly better than any of the fighters Oscar fought in big fights like Pea, Mosley, Tito, Quartey etc..

Morales win against Pac was a genuinely great win as Morales was on the slide by the Hernandez and third Barrera fights but it did somewhat highlight my feeling that Pac was never really a h2h beast at any one weight.The fight was a messy slopfest nowhere near the overall skill of something like Saldivar vs Winstone or Marcel v Arguello.

Then Pac improved and became more two handed, added more bodywork to his game and swiftly sent Morales to the cleaners.

Erik was only really good for the first half of the decade so i don't see why Jones should be written off.By 2005 he was making Zahir Raheem look like Pernell Whitaker.

 

I call bullsh$t on this. There is a legitimate argument to be had here.

 

How is Oscar's resume against "A level" fights shady and Morales is not? Morales only fought two real "A" guys and only managed to squeeze out two official wins against them in six fights. One of these wins you even admit was close

Oscar fought Chavez x2, Whitaker, Mosely x2, Trinidad, Hopkins, Pac, and Mayweather. At least 6 of these guys are top 50 P4P same as Barrera. He officially beat two of the four he faced in his prime, and it could be argued he unofficially beat all four. And while Mosley I and Whitaker were close, Mosley II and Trinidad were clear Oscar wins that were denied by bogus decisions.

 

I just rewatched Pac-Morales. Out of curiosity, how did you folks score it? What role did the headbutt play?