Fighters leaving promoters have more to do with ego's and lack of loyailty

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  1. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    I mean we can all go on about promoters being this and that but at the end of the day fighters need have some form of loyailty, running away at the first sign of trouble does not help anyone. With business there will be issues but if you have a good enough bond with you're boss you can work the issues out or at least leave in good terms the boss is not always wrong.

    I think the real issues with some fighters without mentioning names leaving certain promoters is they feel like they never got the "love" from the promoter or the respect this is what it comes down to not any "business moves"

    If a fighter and promoter have a mutual understanding and good enough bond they can work out any issues but if they don't have that bond than even a little problem would be magnified so I think we need to look at things more deeply here.

    Cotto for example had problems with arum from the start he always felt he favoured other top rank fighters and cotto was not also happy with the way arum was defending margo.

    Cotto essentially only did business with arum because he had no choice not because they had a good business working relationship.
     
  2. cslb

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  3. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Shut your dumb ass up :rofl
     
  4. boxing_master

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    while I do agree some fighters have reasons to leave but what we have to bear in mind is its not always the promoters fault.
     
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    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    What's next? Foot Locker has the best shoes? :think
     
  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    boxingmaster, pick one...

    A) Top Rank: 4 fights or 3 years (whichever comes first) for $20 million guaranteed.

    OR

    B) Haymon: 2 fights annually for 4 years for $50 million guaranteed.

    Which is a better deal?
     
  8. boxing_master

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    top rank and its no contest

    top rank have a much better frame work and have a proven track record.

    Also I don't know if you are trying to compare 2 fighters deals or something make it more clear.
     
  9. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Pick another one

    A) Top Rank: 3 years, 2 fights annually, $30 million guaranteed

    B) Roc Nation: 2 years, 2 fights annually, $25 million guaranteed

    Which is a better deal?
     
  10. boxing_master

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    Why are you making imaginary deals up for at least go by a deal that is known.
     
  11. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    We don't know what the options are but you claimed Cotto wouldn't make $15 million fighting Canelo. True or not, he's making $16.7 million guaranteed per fight now, whether it's Canelo or Waldo. So by your own testament, he chose the better deal in Roc Nation because he was "butthurt". :lol:

    You chose option A, you passed up on $1.25 million per fight for "better frame work". Unfortunately for you, Haymon's services does not have a poor track record related to "frame work". Baseless claims.

    So far you've made 1 assumption and 1 business decision based on emotion and lost money. :good
     
  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    BM why do you feel the need to defend the indefensible?

    Bob Arum is a total rat. The fact that Pac has been so "loyal" to Arum suggests one of two things - Pac isn't very clever -that's not a slight on him, lots of great boxers haven't been the most academic - or that Uncle Bob has something over him which considering he desperately tried to jump ship to GBP seems more likely.

    Pac tried to leave TR. Does this make him 'disloyal' by your estimation?
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    If Cotto left Top Rank because he was "butthurt" he'd take a lesser deal elsewhere. But he took a higher deal, so the "butthurt" claim is garbage.
     
  14. boxing_master

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    Even this current deal cotto has signed is not really confirmed but lets say for arguments sake its true than so what?

    His butthurt because arum never made him his priority and for good reason he is nowhere the draw pac is he has been feeding of crumbs for all his fighting career

    I wouldn't be to happy with that 50 mill cotto got they even offered broner 40 mill they have a very bad frame work I know it and you it.

    We don't know the details of the deal so don't jump the gun and if he gets 50 mill for 3 fights so what?
     
  15. boxing_master

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    pac made hbo invest money into him so he could resign with top-rank
    pac knowing that hbo need to keep him used that in the negotiation table and top rank and hbo offered him a very good deal which he took.