Currently, Kovalev is already in or around the top 50 Light-Heavyweights all time

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's already almost inarguably ahead of Michael Moorer. Moorer barely touched the top five in his twenty odd fights at light-heavyweight. In his twenty-six, Kovalev is already into the top five, beating #5 (Nathan Cleverly) and #1 (Bernard Hopkins). Possibly the champion isn't going to let him anywhere near him, but if he beats Pascal tonight (#3) and is convincing doing it, I think i'd put him nearer 41 than 51.

    That would put him ahead of a lot of very good fighters. Light-heavyweight is weird historically. Not to put too fine a point on it, once you're outside of the top forty it's a bit **** for an old-eight division. Not deeper than heavy. But that Kovalev belongs already is scary.

    Rankings are TBRB.

    Funny for active fighters. He wins tonight, he's already stalking greatness...if he loses, he's nobody, historically speaking.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I agree with you on this one.
     
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  3. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    He's a monster. Don't see him losing for a long time, maybe that Beterbiev tank will be a threat down the line though
     
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  4. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I have never actually compared them but have you ever broken down the top 100 P4P by divisions? Lightheavy seems like it would be quite top heavy all-time quality wise. Beastly lineup...

    Greb, Langford, Charles, Moore, Conn, Tunney, Spinks, Gibbons, Loughran, Dillon, Johnson, Marshall, Walcott
     
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  5. Vysotskyy

    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Signed with Haymon so doubt we'll see that PBC will ruin super fights left and right. If you think there was a lack of consensus for divisional #1's because of sanctioning bodies just wait, Haymon will show you otherwise.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Top heavy is absolutely the correct way to put it. Once your out of the top 35 it gets really, really soft. Heavyweight is far stronger 40-70 for all that this is partly because HW used to get the best HW's best years until the 90s.
     
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  7. larryx2012

    larryx2012 I AM BETTER THEN YOU Full Member

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    ok
     
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  8. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes
     
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  9. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    He could have potentially a great career considering the possible opponents in and around his weight division; Ward, Stevenson, Betrebiev, Golovkin maybe down the line?
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Kovalev is champ, not Stevenson.
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Based on this, where do you rate Hopkins at 175 historically, McGrain?
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Same bracket, just behind, based upon their h2h result. Presuming he doesn't loose in 2 hrs!
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    So Hopkins at 50 is penalized that much because of their head-to-head? Just saying, if you look at their complete body of work, Hopkins was arguably a 2x linear champion, and had arguably beaten better competition than Kovalev has.

    What about Calzaghe?

    :smoke
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah but he got destroyed by Kovalev.

    And actually, after tonight, if Kovalev wins, they'll have the same number of top five guys. And Hopkins lineal claims are in dispute (not that i care THAT much).

    Calzaghe's nowhere. 1-0 gets you nowhere.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :lol::good

    If Pascal somehow pulls this off some way or another (and I don't think he will), Bernard could become relevant again.

    So on that note...

    WAR PASCAL!

    :smoke
     
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