Roy Jones jnr vs Sergey Kvalev @ 175

Nope.

I just don't think he ever fought anyone with the power to switch him off with one shot the way Kov could in those 50 fights. His age has got nothing to do with it, unless you factor in his fundamentals were sh it, and he only ever had his reflexes as a means of defence.

Fact is Hopkins, Mayweather, and Marquez were / are fighting at a much better level than Jones at 35+ and you don't see them getting KTFO.

 

How many times have we done this?

When was Roy offered $12m?

Do you really believe that Dariusz and Peter Kohl tried for six years to fight Roy? Even though they wouldn't negotiate with Kerry Davis, and they never had any other big fights outside of Germany after talks had broken down? Dariusz's resume tells me that he wasn't that upset about losing his belts, and he was more than happy to milk the WBO for all it's worth.

After talks had broken down and both fighters had gone their separate ways, Roy tried to fight Bernard Hopkins and Evander Holyfield, and ended up fighting John Ruiz and Antonio Tarver. Whereas Dariusz went on to fight Lakatos, Joey De Grandis, Richard Hall x 2, and Derrick Harmon. That to me speaks volumes. Especially when you take into account that Roy had already given Hall a merciless hiding, and Dariusz had criticised Harmon as an opponent when Roy had fought him.

Anybody can say anything. But actions speak louder than words. Roy had big fights both before and after negotiations with Peter Kohl, and I've no reason not to believe that Roy would have fought him in the U.S.


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I'm not.

It was a great shot. I just meant that he wasn't staggering around etc in serious trouble.

 

I get that, but again, he wasn't in danger of the ref stopping the fight.

Maybe I should have originally said that he wasn't seriously hurt.

 

Of course.

But that applied to almost everybody who Roy fought.

 

How is it the equilvilant?

I'm a big fan of Kov's, but let's calm down and see how his career unfolds.

His biggest win is over a 50 year old Bernard Hopkins, while he was 31.

Roy had supreme speed and skills, and all things considered, I find it hard to believe that at this stage of Kov's career, he would have been favoured to win.

 

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So a 7 pound weight advantage would have taken Roy's skills, speed, and reflexes completely out of the equation?

Ha!


Also, I just noted that IMHO, Roy's absolute prime was when he was at 168. But you can look at Roy when he was at 175 in his late 20's-early 30's. His great attributes were still prevalent.

Do you seriously think that Kov could have just taken Roy out, no questions asked?

Based on what exactly?

 

This is the thing, everyone seems to be looking at Kov being able to land flush on Roy, without even considering how he'd have coped with Roy's offense and his speed. There's still questions surrounding Kov. If he gets repeatedly hit hard with shots he can't react to, will it make him more aggressive, or it will it make him hesitant and back up? We don't know yet. It's fun to speculate, but this thread needs to be bumped in a few years.

 

Roy was significantly faster, he had more variation, he had better reflexes, plus he also possessed one punch knockout power.

 

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Well, the truth is, Foxy.

He did.

And it's not debatable 'cause the dude DID subsequently 'switch him off with one shot.'

Dude's name was Antonion Tarver.

Who gives an act of coitus what the balance was between his boxing skills and his athleticism athleticism ?



He utterly dominated all from Hopkins to Toney.



He fought professionally in weights from junior middle weight to HW, winning titles from MW to HW and went undefeated , save for a DQ which he angrily avenged with a rural one round KO.

In that time he barely lost a round per fight.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with Jones' situation.

Some fighters are done at 24 (Tyson), 32 (Marciano) , 28 (Vargas), 30 (Ricky Hatton) etc, etc....

Others soldier on.

Had Jones hung them up after Ruiz, he would be considered a top ten all-time.

 

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