Roy Jones jnr vs Sergey Kvalev @ 175

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Ha!

The irony.

WHO has Sergey beaten?

 

You can quote all the links from Jones's gofers you want to quote, personally I take the following far more seriously.


On 13 June 1997, he defeated Virgil Hill over 12 rounds to add Hill's Lineal, WBA, & IBF titles to his own. However, Michalczewski soon lost both alphabet titles. The WBA immediately stripped him for displaying its belt along with that of the WBO, an organization it didn't recognize. Michalczewski was then forced to relinquish the IBF title when he was unable to defend the title in a court-ordered defense against mandatory challenger William Guthrie within a little over a month after the bout with Hill.[1]

After beating Hill, Michalczewski knocked out 14 consecutive opponents, all in defense of his Lineal/WBO titles. In 1998, he defeated Drake Thadzi, in 1999 he defeated Montel Griffin, and in 2000 he defeated Graciano Rocchigiani.

Darius would attempt for six years to secure a bout with his American counterpart, Roy Jones Jr, without success. After his titles were stripped from Dariusz, Jones would win Michalczewski's belts and spuriously declare himself "undisputed world champion". Jones steadfastly refused all offers for a lucrative fight with Darius and even made an attempt to ban the mention of Michalczewski's name on his home network, HBO. Seth Abraham, president and CEO of HBO, refused Jones demand and in 2002 a fan poll showed that the fight fans most wanted to see was Darius Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr. Jones continued to refuse offers for the fight however.

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If you can name anyone Jones fought as big as Kov with a higher than 85% KO ratio I'll willingly believe you.

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If Roy had such a bad chin, then he must have been at risk at getting knocked out by any top ten rated guy in all of the divisions that he fought in.

The fighters that you've mentioned had better fundamentals than Roy. But this thread is looking at Kov vs Roy, when Roy was prime. When Roy was prime he had a great defence. It was unconventional, but it was great because he was hard to catch clean.

How do we know that Sergey could have gotten by Roy's offense, to land a knockout blow?

How do we know how he'd have reacted if Roy had repeatedly caught him flush?

From the evidence at hand, it appears to me that Roy would have found it much easier to hit Kov, than vice versa.

 

Antonio Tarver knocked him out.

That punch would have knocked Roy out if he'd have landed that on Roy at 25.

Roy didn't have a great chin.

But we can't automatically look at Roy's chin and Kov's power, and then write it off, saying that it would have been a forgone conclusion.

Roy fought decent fighters, and barely lost rounds.

But just about anyone who he fought at LHW possessed the power to knock him out.

I don't have to list their KO percentages. They all weighed 180 plus on fight night, and they could have taken him out with the right opportunity. Lou Del Valle could have taken him out, but he only had that one opportunity in the fight, and didn't get to follow it up.

But nobody has even looked at the knockdown Kov suffered. Now it hardly phased him, and he wasn't hurt. But look how open he was, and look how fast and powerful Roy was. Simply put, there's many factors to consider here.

IMO, a lot of people are looking from these perspectives:

Sergey Kovalev - A knockout machine who is currently active and looking like a beast, who's gaining lots of recognition, and who is fresh in everyone's mind.

Roy Jones - A forgotten fighter who's no longer in the spotlight, who was knocked out by two LHW's over ten years ago, who couldn't punch as hard as Kov.

But if Roy was prime now, trust me, this thread would read a lot different.


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This thread is going to go into overdrive after the fight tonight.

We may even have a hypothetical Roy vs Pascal thread.

 

Why would you take any of that more seriously?

As far as I'm aware, talks had broken down altogether in 2001. Roy didn't enter the division until November, 1996. So how did they chase Roy for six years?

Roy didn't refuse the fight, he just refused to go to Germany. Again, why should he have put three belts up against one in Germany, when Dariusz had embarrassingly cheated to get Rochigianni disqualified? Roy felt that the onus was on Dariusz to travel.

At the end of the day, you can believe you want, but again, Dariusz's resume speaks volumes to me.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4141&cat=boxer


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In other words after all that writing you simply CAN'T name a fighter of Kov's size AND WITH A KO RATIO OF 85% OR MORE that Jones fought.

That just might be because there wasn't one.

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I don't know what point you're trying to make?

No, Roy didn't fight anyone with Kov's power.

Which means what?

 

You have deliberately chosen to ignore that article because it doesn't suit your agenda, because you are fully aware that DM in fact unified the titles in June 97, and was stripped of them within months, with Jones being allowed to fight for them within 2 years, starting with Del Valle in August 98, for the WBA title, and Johnson in June 99 for the IBF title.

You also know that DM started to look for a Jones fight even before he unified when Jones only held the WBC version.

You can convince yourself all you like that Griffin, Del Valle, Hill, Grant, Frazier, Hall, Telesco, Harding, and Harmon were all more legitimate than Dariusz, but don't try to convince the rest of us.

So don't use resume's as an excuse. Jones avoided DM like the plague.

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It is self explanatory. All one needs is an open mind to work it out.

As has been pointed out by Jones fans, he was hit quite often in his prime, by guys far less talented, and far less powerful than Kov.

Also why do you keep harping on about Jones's prime at 25, when at that age he was too small for Kov? When Jones entered the 175 division against McCallum he was 2 months short of 28.

 

What have I ignored?

It hasn't told me anything that I don't know know already.

We know that Dariusz lost his belts, and that Roy ended up with them.

But how did they chase Roy for six years?

How was Roy not willing to fight him at all?

Also, Roy had his sights set on Hill early in 97, before he'd fought Griffin. Dariusz unified the titles because he got to Hill first. Under different circumstances, Roy could have held all three of the belts before Dariusz.

Where have I tried to convince people that those fighters you've listed were more legitimate than Dariusz?

I've uploaded his resume because it tells me that he was never serious about fighting big fights.

Why would have fought Richard Hall twice after Roy had destroyed him, as well as Harmon who he'd criticised Roy for fighting?

How did Roy avoid him like the plague when he sent his advisor Brad Jacobs to meet up with Kerry Davis on several occasions to try and make the fight?


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