Roy Jones jnr vs Sergey Kvalev @ 175

I would never figure you to be a Ward fan.


But with Kovalev, I think we are witnessing the making of an ATG.:yep


Excuse the faces, and never start a sentence with but like I just did.

 

If you became a fan of Ward he would have to change his nickname from SOG.

He's called that because he only has 12 followers.

 

Agreed I see Kovalev ruling for yrs the only one that poses a threat is Adonis but I think Sergey is a better boxer

 

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Foxy 01,

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I'll bump the other thread soon.

I only haven't done as yet, because I thought you'd gone on the classic for a break.

Well, he had a huge ego didn't he?

But what I'm saying is, all talks fizzled out in 2001. Late 96/early 97 - 2001, isn't six years. So he was obviously exaggerating.

I believe them when they said they made Roy offers to go to Germany.

But we've seen quotes both from Davis and Kohl, where Davis said he couldn't get Kohl to negotiate for a fight in the U.S. and Kohl admitting that he'd ignored HBO's advances, basically because he was pi$$ed that Roy had turned him down.

Now if they'd seriously chased a fight for six years, they'd have explored all avenues professionally.

As far as I'm aware, Roy never publicly stated what his demands were for a fight in the U.S. because negotiations never got that far.

But it's easy for you to say that.

It wasn't that simple.

Again, it wasn't Roy's fault what had happened.

How could you have expected Roy to have gone to Germany to fight for the lightly regarded WBO belt?

Roy was never going to do that.

Nobody could have expected him to do so.

He was never going to say something like "Dariusz may not have the belts anymore, but he's the real champ, so I'm going to go to Germany to fight him."

It would have been nice, but it's totally unrealistic to have expected anyone in Roy's position to have done such a thing.

It's not merely an opinion.

Nobody could believe it.

Here it is:

http://youtu.be/jjfhvs5vidI

It was shocking.

It was worthy of an Oscar.

He had trouble with him earlier.

But why fight a guy twice after Roy had hammered him?

How can wins over Roch, Piper and Thadzi surpass Roy's LHW victories?

He barely lost rounds for the most part.

He was on his way to stopping him, before he went crazy.

But the rematch win was spectacular. He knocked him out with a lead uppercut in under three mins. That win alone surpasses the majority of Dariusz's wins.

Despite Hill's loss to Dariusz, it was still impressive how Roy took him out in just four rounds. Roy was the only person to ever knock him out in his entire career.

It was as good as many of Dariusz's wins.

Reggie was still a competent fighter at LHW. It was a good win for Roy.

Harding was a big southpaw who was capable. Again, it was as good as many of Dariusz's wins.

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That's right, but Clinton fought at world level and had three close fights with Glen Johnson, and Roy beat him with absolute ease. It was a good win.

He was a ripped 196 pounds, with a low percentage of body fat.

He lost the weight quickly, against the advice of Mackie Shilstone.

A Holy fight almost happened, but that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that Roy dropping back to reclaim the LHW belts from Tarver, whilst being absolutely exhausted, eclipses any win that Dariusz had at LHW.

How on earth can it favour Dariusz?

Quality over quantity.

Yes, we know who he fought, and most of them were mandatories.

But the point is, Roy went on to have big fights after talks between them had broken down, whereas it appeared that Dariusz wasn't interested.

Again, how did Roy make it absolutely sure that it didn't happen? You're kidding yourself if you seriously think that Dariusz wanted it. It's clear that he milked the WBO for all it's worth in Germany. He was on to a good thing. He did it just prior to negotiations, and he did it afterwards until he retired. His resume doesn't paint a picture of a man who wanted Roy and the biggest fights out there.

How was Roy's reluctance to go to Germany childish?

1. He'd been robbed in the Olympics.

2. He'd seen Dariusz cheat to get Roch disqualified, as per the video.

3. Rightly or wrongly, he had all three of the main belts. He'd have been putting three belts up against the lightly regarded WBO belt.


So how on earth were his reasons not valid?

Great debate.

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You've gone crazy on me!

Ha!

What's your point?

Why are we looking at Roy's LHW fights from his late 30's to his early 40's?

How are they in any way relevant to a Kov fantasy fight?


Again, Roy didn't go out for stoppages in his prime. He was more than content to box his way to decision wins, until a knockout opportunity presented itself. Everyone knows this.

But we know he had knockout power. He knocked out Griffin and Hill with single shots.

If I use your logic, I could say that Roy did something to Hill that Dariusz and CW's weren't able to do to him.


I've never claimed that Roy was a murderous puncher, but I know that he possessed power to hurt Kov if he'd have caught him.


Also, I've never ever referred to Joe as Calslappy.


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I'm looking at how open he was, like he was last night.

Roy would have exploited that easily.

 

Don't be silly now.

That version of Roy weighed 175 on fight night, and would have caused Kov a lot of problems.

You don't appreciate how fast he was.

Stop exaggerating.

 

It was a great fight.

I love reading people's opinions, and you know that I always respect yours.

I find it interesting that after last night, you think that Roy's chances may be lower than what you first thought.

I fully respect that.

But I've gone the other way.

I'm more convinced now than I ever was.

I think Roy would have landed pretty easily, and I could see him backing him up.


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Good post.

The fights with Glen and Joe are irrelevant to me, but I respect your opinion.

Of course Kov would have been extremely dangerous to Roy, much more so than John Ruiz. I definitely agree with you there.

Great an*lysis regarding what you think could have happened between them both.


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