Why Do Eastern Europeans hit so damn hard?

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    He was fighting stiffer competition in the amateurs. This was a step down for him to build up hype for his pro record.
     
  2. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Seems he can't handle the truth.
     
  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Well, I will say that fighters from former Soviet Union countries *in general* tend to have fighting styles more revolved around power punching rather than speed.
     
  4. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So do the Americans. Quit getting you're history lessons from Rocky 4.

    Not that it means anything, 'strength competitions' are just that, a bunch of roid heads duking it out. It's a freak show, not a legitimate sport.
     
  5. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Individuals from all nations dope sure. However the eastern block had nationally funded doping programs and still do today.
     
  6. Russian_Glass

    Russian_Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not sure why people keep mentioning the US in a thread about Eastern Europe.
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly, but why? It's probably genetics. But it's also probably technique and lifestyle. I've been to Eastern Europe. The average guy over there just has a more badass attitude about life.
     
  8. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because the Ameri**** answer to the question was 'steroids'.

    Not the long developed amateur program and fall of the iron curtain allowing them to turn pro, but the EE cheating- Like steroid cheating isn't endemic in America as well.

    Kovalev fights out of Cali, and I have seen no evidence to suspect him of drug use.

    Not that the thread starters question is even a good one, there are many feather fisted EE fighters. We see them on TV weekly here in the UK. Excellent technique and natural gifts are the reason GGG and Kovalev hit so hard, not being EE.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    By his age, Manny Pacquiao had fought in twenty title fights and faced Barrera, Marquez, and Morales. Speed it up.
     
  10. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's cuz he can't read.


    http://www.outsideonline.com/fitnes...he-Russian-Runner-Doping-Scandal-Matters.html



    Don Catlin is one of the heads of VADA too, fyi. He's the godfather of US Antidoping.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. They were willing to fight Pacquiao

    2. Lower weight classes mature earlier

    3. Mad respect for Pacquiao facing these guys
     
  12. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because much like what happened with Mexican and other Latino fighters coming to USA, the ones that can hit really hard make the biggest shows for the promoters.

    The ones that stand out for hitting hard will be the first to get recruited, then as the importing managers/promoters get established they will start developing some slick boxers and more average guys once they need to fill out stables/shows with more live bodies.

    Nothing to do with anything other than once a region opens up, the first to get signed and get attention are going to be the ones who can put on the most spectacular show the quickest. (punchers)
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Lower weight classes mature earlier? Evander Holyfield was the same size as Usyk, won a medal at the Olympics, and by age 28 he'd become Cruiserweight champion, had six title fights as well as fought Dwight Qawi, Carlos De Leon, Pinklon Thomas, and Michael Dokes.

    Tyson had already lost the heavyweight title and gone to prison but had managed to fight Spinks, Holmes, Thomas, Ruddock, Tucker, Smith, Berbick, Bruno, 11 title fights.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes that's been the prevailing opinion in boxing. Though it's anecdotal.
     
  15. MetalLicker

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    Kovalev and GGG are very committed punchers. Most fighters are worried about incoming punches, so they pull their punches and get back to a defensive stance. Look at Thurman against Guererro. He didn't fully commit to his shots in fear of getting countered.

    GGG wants to land his shot with full power, so he land hi shots with full power. The same goes for Kovalev.