How do you rate Tim Bradley?

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Lifts.
     
  2. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    i dont even like him but he is a very very very good fighter he has only lost to pacqauio..............................
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    ...and was highly competitive with him both times. He should be 0-2 but they were both close.
     
  4. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    No he was not i somewhat agree in the second fight but not in the first

    first fight was not competitive at all pac was not even sweating.
     
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    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    115-113 Pacquiao. (1st time)

    Roth got it right.
     
  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    He doesn't understand the concept of competitive or what close could mean; there are two different kinds of close in boxing.
     
  7. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    Even the Mayweathers thought the fight was not even close:patsch

    i can't believe you just said the first fight was competitive
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    I've maintained that it was ever since it happened.

    Let me ask you this: how did you score the 7th, the so called "smoking gun" of Jim Lampley's?
     
  9. boxing_master

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    I still can't get over the fact you think the first fight was close im really in shock here:patsch

    Pac won every round apart from maybe the 10th that was the only round i would give bradley

    Pac beat him easy he just did not get the official win it was a robbery of the highest order.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    :nono *It was a bad decision.

    It was a close fight.

    Jerry Roth scored it correctly.
     
  11. boxing_master

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    Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Bart Barry, 15rounds.com: 116-115 Bradley
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
    ********************: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ryan Burton, ***********.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
    Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com:116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Marc Livitz, SecondsOut.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Gareth Davies, The Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Rob Day, ***************: 117-112 Pacquiao
    George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terry Dooley, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Doug Fischer, The Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Danny Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    David Greisman, ***********.com: 7-111 Pacquiao
    Tommy Gunn, *****************: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Thomas Hauser, HBO/TheSweetScience.com:115-114
    Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Phil Jay, *****.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley
    Amir Khan, Primetime: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Mike Koppinger, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 118-112 Pacquiao
    Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Graham Parker, The Guardian: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Chris Robinson, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    John Russell, former trainer of Buster Douglas: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Luis Sandoval, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
    Lem Satterfield, The Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
    Ronnie Shields: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ryan Songalia, The Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Nick Xouris, FightHype.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao

    Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw.
    None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media.
    Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media.


    surly if it was a competitive as you say more people would of had bradley winning?
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    No, that's stupid logic. It was a close but clear Pacquiao win.

    115-113 Pac is the correct score. Plenty of those on your list, along with 116-112 which is also reasonable.

    The cards saying 117-111 or wider are just as bad as cards saying Bradley won.
     
  13. boxing_master

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    I would like to know which round's you thought bradley won in the first fight would be interesting to know
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    What are your scores for both fights?
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    As follows:

    1 TB

    2 MP

    3 MP

    4 MP

    5 MP

    6 MP

    7 MP

    8 TB

    9 MP

    10 TB

    11 TB

    12 TB















    Now, as far as the 7th goes, Lampley aired it with just the raw audio, no HBO commentary, on his show "The Fight Game", and claimed it debunked the notion that people scoring for Pacquiao were swayed by the way the action was called by himself and his colleagues.

    In reality, the round without HBO commentary actually comes across being incredibly close. I had initially given it to Pacquiao myself (in part, as noted in the RBR post above, due to putting my trust at least to an extent in the stats they were providing) but watching it with just the raw audio I can see a case to be made for giving it to Bradley.

    Do so, and it becomes a draw on my card.