Why doesn't Kovalev fight at super middleweight ?

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  1. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well it puts in to perspective people who say kovalev destroys ward froch all the super middles at LH you could say all the 168 beat Kovalev at 168.
     
  2. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    This is a joke right?
    The guy weighs close to 190 in the ring
     
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    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    jesus he looks a big man to me I'd guess he'd be going the other way, commenataor was even saying it looked like there was a weight class between him and pascal. Maybe he can get the weight down, some great fights if he could
     
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    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's funny GGG went into his last fight at what 172? Froch fights close to 168 , Ward closer to 180 and Kovalev in the 180s. If anything we should have a Froch-GGG fight at 168 and Kovalev-Ward at 175.
     
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    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch doesn't cut a lot of weight he comes in very close to 168 whereas Kovalev comes in over 180. I could be wrong but I thought I saw a article with Froch coming at 172. Maybe we need to bump that fight night weight thread and update it. We could also put where fighters should be fighting according to their natural weight and see what fights that would give us.
     
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    Console Command Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Can we make fun of you when Degale is smashed to pieces by Dirrel ?
     
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    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While he is a fan of British fighters and very nationalistic I think his post was in jest.
     
  8. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Wasn't he 189 or something last Saturday?

    Some guys can rehydrate over 20 lbs, most can't. Dawson basically ended his career by doing 17 lbs against Ward. Sounds like a great idea. :roll:
     
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    You're stupid.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He appears to be getting bigger

    Kovalev 181 - Sillakh 185

    Kovalev 183 - Agnew 187

    Kovalev 185 - Caparello 185

    Kovalev 188 - Hopkins 182

    Kovalev 189 - Pascal 185

    I doubt he could make 168 and perform properly down at that weight.
     
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    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Scary stats

    Watch yourself Wladimir
     
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    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The only recorded ring weight we have for Andre Ward is the 176 he weighed for Dawson. Virgil Hunter said Ward walks around at about 179, although Ward refused to reveal his walk around weight in one interview I read. I've definitely seen him look heavier than that in the past. Ward said he could probably make 160 but he wouldn't be any good at that weight.

    Chad Dawson weighed 191 for the Glen Johnson rematch, a still very lean 191, and went down to 168 for the Ward fight. That's 23 lbs. He was a corpse by the time he climbed into the ring.

    Golovkin (and his trainer) say that he could make 154 given enough notice.

    Carl Froch weighed 170 for Abraham and doesn't put on much weight after the weigh in.

    'My lifestyle outside camp, that gives you longevity, 100 per cent, super-middleweight champion Froch emphasises. Healthy living, clean living outside of training camp, training hard. Be sensible with everything you know what you should and shouldn't do. Don't lie to yourself.

    To help you emulate this Spartan of a man, Froch offers some advice to help you live the high life without becoming a lowlife.

    KEEP YOUR WEIGHT ON POINT

    I walk around close to my fighting weight because my body-fat count is naturally low. I'm very skinny out of camp. So where would I lose that weight, where would it go from? I'd have to start losing some skeletal muscle, I'd have to cannibalise and do long runs with no energy. My bodyfat count is about three per cent, two per cent on fight week, I'm ripped to shreds. For me to then get down another 8lbs, I'd have to become skinny and lose my back or get skinnier legs. I wouldn't be the same fighter.

    Scientifically it's impossible to rehydrate any sooner than 72 hours after dehydrating but you've got 30-33 hours depending on when you fight. If you take off 4-5lbs of fluid before the weigh-in, you can't expect to be rehydrated and ready to fight the following day. So when I see them in the ring looking like they've put 14lbs on from the weigh-in it brings a big smile on my face and I think, You've put all that weight on overnight, which tells me you took a load of weight off before the weigh-in, which also tells me you're absolutely exhausted and drained.

    For the last three or four weeks before the Lucian Bute fight, I weighed just under 168lbs, straight after I trained and it means my body is used to working at that weight. I was 171lbs or 172lbs when I fought Bute. It's a massive advantage, huge.'
     
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    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn't go that far I am merely making the point that yes he's a monster but mainly because he's a cruiser at LH.

    I haven't seen anything spectacular skill wise from him to make me think wow this guys ELITE.

    He's a freak of nature cruiser able to boil down to LH and walk down LH and 168 fighters with a chin and punch 2 divisons higher than his so far opponents.

    Nout wrong with that not his fault rules are rules it's all legit, I just cant help but feel just his superior chin and power at LH are down to him being a cruiserweight able to remain strong and fresh boiling down to LH and that being his main weapon and reason he wins.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:

    Ward is first in line though. lol

    “By 32 years old, Andre Ward will be heavyweight champion of the world,” says the confident trainer. “He has always beaten guys bigger than him, even in the amateurs. If Andre gets to 200 pounds naturally and maybe grows an inch taller, he could become heavyweight champion absolutely.”

    ---Virgil Hunter


    “I have already told people, that when Andre becomes champion there will be very few people that go the distance with him. You know, I listen to people talk about his punching power, but I think that he can hit just as hard as anybody out there, and they (the critics) don’t know that. Now that he is a champ, and you include that extra twenty five to thirty percent of confidence, I am going to start calling for the knockout. You see, I never used to call for it before. But believe me he could knock out anybody out there. And he could hit as hard as anybody out there. But the critics don’t believe that. They will believe that when it starts happening.

    ---Virgil Hunter

    'But in the meantime Ward has decided to do some wide-open preaching with his mouth, claiming in an interview with ESNews that heavyweight twin-peaks Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko are possible future targets for the current 168-pound world champion.

    “I want to [challenge for a world heavyweight title], I’ve talked about that since I’ve been a kid,” Ward said, apparently straight-faced. “It seems crazy right now, but I’m not gonna be [one-hundred and] sixty-eight [pounds] forever.”

    “You got to fight the right heavyweight,” he admitted, but added: “As a fighter, I believe I could beat a Klitschko… I’m wired to believe that…I think it could happen, absolutely.”

    ---Andre Ward