Roy Jones jnr vs Sergey Kvalev @ 175

Yeah, but what's your point?

We're looking at Roy in his prime vs Kov.

We know he's been knocked out by lesser punchers than Kov, and we know Kov had the power to put him to sleep.

But that doesn't alter the fact, than in his prime, despite what the stats show, Roy had enough fire power at 175 to hurt Kov.

I'd bet my life that Roy couldn't have taken a flush shot with leverage off of Kov.

But I'd also bet that Kov wouldn't be able to take the body shot that knocked out Virgil.


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Yet another fantasist who thinks Jones was untouchable.:roll::roll:

A good stiff jab from Kov, and your boy is gonna run all night, until his legs tire enough for Kov to land the required one shot to do this to him.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0c8fXHp-4[/url]

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

Mind Reader is basically saying what I always tell Bailey:

Statistics don't allow for circumstances.

There were reasons why Roy didn't have more impressive knockouts at LHW.

But any fighter who can knock out two solid fighters with single shots that weighed 180 plus pounds on fight night, is definitely a puncher at the weight.

The power that he displayed in those fights, mean that Kov would have been in trouble if Roy had've loaded up and caught him clean.


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Basically your whole post is saying that Dariusz, and EVERYONE connected to him are liars, and the proven steroid cheat, who tried to get the mention of DM's name banned on HBO broadcasts until Seth Abraham himself to Jones to fvck off, are not lying.

Pure fan boy logic, coupled with fantasy. I'll take the source I have shown you, over anything that comes out of a proven drug cheat, and his lowlife hangers on every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.

You have proved NOTHING, you have merely quoted a liar, and a cheat, and those who work for him.

You also forget that Darius was STRIPPED much like Ali, but Jones being the scum he is, didn't do what a real man like Joe Frazier did, and fight the man who was stripped for his own peace of mind.

 

Just like the statistics of Johnson's undefeated record until B.Hop proves he was a better MW than a LHW where he fought better opponents?atsch

No one is disputing that Roy was a harder puncher at the lighter weights. Though when you have a guy like Virgil Hill saying Roy hit him the hardest he has ever been hit, basically is the proof in the pudding that Roy was indeed a big puncher at LHW.

Whether or not you can ever accept the fact that statistics can be misleading and not tell the whole story is the big question when I think of your simple minded in the box thinking.

It is clear to me you did not watch much of Roy Jones, you even have haters agreeing with me that he was safety first and content to cruise at times.. Roy said it multiple times, and his fights showed it if you had watched them..

Answer me this, if his chin was so china, and he wasn't a big puncher, how come he was not knocked out sooner? It seems like more of those natually bigger guys wouldn't have respect for his power and would seem more willing to engage...

Think about that one for a minute you old knuckle head.:rofl

 

Jones sure did fight in some obscure places and often states with weak or non-existent commissions...

Either way I look at what Lou Del Valle was able to do to Roy and he wasn't half the puncher Kovalev is. Then you have to look at Roy's opposition at 175 he had a lot of cup cake defenses against nobodies.

I just don't think Roy would be able to keep Kovalev off him he could run and backpeddle but eventually he is going to get caught and I don't see his Chin being able to take it.

 

So what?? Two 35 year olds at their best or damn near it..

You know what? You are just getting boring at this point.

It isn't even fun schooling you anymore.

 

Who at that time was he was fighting did you expect to do this? Grant? Frazier? Kelly? Hall? Gonzalez?

He didn't fight the #1 guy and biggest threat. The Division at that time was very weak and Roy was fighting the crumbs of the division in mandatory fights. Those were easy checks for Roy with zero risk and he knew that.

 

It's great fun to speculate what we think would have happened.

Like I've mentioned before, there's a number of scenarios that could have played out, two of which are:

1. If Roy caught him flush and often, it may have made him angry, and he may have walked Roy down and tried to have finished him aggressively.

2. Alternatively, Roy could have made him very cautious, and made him hesitant to pour forward.


People are calling me deluded, but Kov isn't the Terminator.

He's going through these current guys, because he has zero respect for them.

But Roy could have gotten his respect with his speed.

Psychology plays a huge part in how a fighter fights, and Roy's speed could have seen Kov fight in a completely different manner to what we've currently been seeing.


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I can respect your opinon.. I think it is possible Jones hurts Kovalev too... Either way, it is my new favorite mythical matchp..:good

 

Go back and look at the top 10 rankings during Jones stay at LHW.. He beat nearly all of them..

My point to Foxy was that he had to be a big puncher, because so many LHWs he hurt early and they were afraid to engage him... If Roy didin't have the power to keep those naturally bigger guys honest, I think he would have possibly been knocked out earlier..

My main point is you can't have it both ways, that Jones had a glass chin and wasn't a big puncher, but cleared out LHW save DM.

 

I have already smashed your little stat theory with Johnson's level of competition at MW..
It is boxrec, you are counting numbers and looking at nothing else.. Stats CAN be useful, but they are not the end all be all.. Multiple people have told you that there is a story behind why Roy didn't have more knockouts at LHW, and it had nothing to do with him not being a big puncher, because he was.

It is you that has trouble reading and taking in new information, all you can do is count.:rofl:deal

 

kov would ruin jones and ruin him quickly. jones best weight was really 160. no business would he have stepping anywhere near krusher because jones would literally get crushed

 

Foxy 01,

Not at all.

Go and reread my post.

I've challenged everything that's written in your source in a fair manner.

I've proven that Dariusz's team ignored HBO's attempts to make the fight in the U.S. and I've proven that they didn't chase Roy for six years, as well as showing that after talks had ended, Dariusz never had a big fight.

You can't possibly make a comparison to the circumstances that surrounded Ali and Frazier.