Roy Jones jnr vs Sergey Kvalev @ 175

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wouldn't just have been about speed.

    Again, it's foolish to think that Kov would have just walked him down and knocked him out.

    We've seen Pascal get through last week with winging shots.

    We know all about Roy's offense.

    So it's not hard to work out that a guy with Roy's speed, variation, accuracy and reflexes, wouldn't have been able to have found Kov relatively easily.

    Now if you think Kov could have taken everything that Roy could have given and shrugged it off, then you're entitled to that opinion.

    But I don't.

    I think there would have been a good chance that after Kov had been tagged hard and often, it could have deterred him.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    Possibly.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What has Johnson got to do with anything?

    You wouldn't put forward a case of a fighter beating SRL, based on his defeats to Norris and Camacho.

    In this fantasy fight, Kov wouldn't have been fighting the version of Roy that Glen fought.

    Go and watch Roy from 2004, and then watch him from 1994 onwards.

    It's a different fighter.


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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Foxy 01,

    We're going around in circles.

    :lol:


    Why would HBO have lied?

    They publicly criticised Roy on numerous occasions.

    Why do I need to read it again?

    Dariusz did not chase Roy for six years.


    1. Late 96/early 97 - 2001, is not a 6 year period.

    2. How could he have chased him, when Kohl wouldn't even sit down with HBO, to explore all possibilities?

    It's common knowledge.

    And Roy has noted that it was through frustration.

    Because they were yapping away in Germany, but nothing was happening.

    They wanted Roy in Germany, but despite what they claimed, they weren't prepared to sit down and discuss details for a fight in the U.S.

    But Roy being pi$$ed and making that request, does not alter the fact that Kerry Davis publicly declared that he was doing all he could to get the network the fight.

    A network who at times trashed Roy, would not admit to doing all they could with Roy's advisor, if it hadn't have been true. They'd have hung him out to dry. They'd have publicly stated that Roy didn't want the fight.

    Peter Kohl admitted that they ignored Davis's attempts to make contact, and they turned down the notion of the double header flat, without even discussing any specifics.

    Again, what happened afterwards?

    Roy tried to fight Hopkins, and then he fought Ruiz and Tarver.

    What did Dariusz do?

    He fought Joey DeGrandis and Richard Hall x 2.

    Am I supposed to believe that he seriously wanted big fights?

    I know that.

    But you can't compare Joe Frazier wanting to fight the fight of the century with Muhammad Ali, to Roy Jones going to Germany to fight Dariusz M.


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  5. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Wow, you have totally missed the point.

    31 fights unbeaten sounds amazing but a stat can be misleading

    Dave Hamilton 8-2-0
    Sam Garr 20-0-0
    Ralph Monday 7-15-1
    Stacy Goodson 5-11-1
    Jeff Johnson 17-11-1
    David McCluskey 16-50-4
    Gerald Reed 14-13-1
    Tom Bentley 0-9-0
    James Gatlin 11-18-0
    Kenneth Parker 0-9-1
    Guy Stanford 16-12-1
    Danny Mitchell 10-32-2
    Bill Bradley 23-14-0
    Jerome Hill 1-2-0
    Melvin Wynn 15-22-1
    Jesus Carlos Velez 1-19-0
    John McClendon 6-12-2
    Tyrone Dillard 5-4-1
    Carlos Betancourt 20-14-1
    Edison Martinez 8-13-0
    Bill Bradley 23-11-0
    Jesus Carlos Velez 1-16-0
    Gustavo Gonzalez 5-4-1
    Joe Harris 5-10-0
    Jesus Carlos Velez 1-14-0
    Vincent Godbolt 0-1-0
    Ralph Monday 6-6-1
    Dwayne Waldon 2-1-0
    Anthony Brooks 4-2-1
    James Mullins 5-22-1
    Jerry Reyes 3-15-1


    I can't bother to post all of his fights but lets take a look at his competition after he moved up to LHW.


    Erik Skoglund 21-0-0
    Ilunga Makabu 16-1-0
    Jaime Velasquez 11-5-2
    Bobby Gunn 21-5-1
    Junior Ramos 10-6-0
    George Groves 15-0-0
    Andrzej Fonfara 21-2-0
    Lucian Bute 29-0-0
    Carl Froch 27-1-0
    Allan Green 29-2-0
    Tavoris Cloud 20-0-0
    Yusaf Mack 28-2-2
    Chad Dawson 28-0-0
    Daniel Judah 23-3-3
    Aaron Norwood 26-10-2
    Chad Dawson 25-0-0
    Hugo Pineda 39-3-1
    Montell Griffin 48-6-0
    Clinton Woods 39-3-1
    Richard Hall 27-5-0
    George Khalid Jones 23-2-1
    Antonio Tarver 22-3-0
    Roy Jones Jr 49-2-0
    Clinton Woods 35-2-1
    Clinton Woods 35-2-0
    Eric Harding 21-2-1
    Daniel Judah 17-0-1
    Julio Cesar Gonzalez 31-1-0
    Derrick Harmon 21-2-0
    Thomas Ulrich 20-0-0

    Which group of fighters were better, the 31-0 run or the above? In which list did we learn the most about what The Road Warrior was made of?? I will be bold and say that Johnson's legacy is greater in the second list, despite losing many of them. Sure 31-0 is the greater statistic, but there was much more career defining substance in the second list. Including being thought of by many as the man at LHW after his victory of Tarver.. He wasn't the man at anything in his MW run.

    This is a perfect example of how a 0 doesn't always mean much... When you fight tough opposition picking up some good wins as well as losses is better than beating 31 cans IMO. Many fighters would have likely plowed through his pre-Hopkins MW competition with a 100% KO rate.

    Why in the world would I call them ALL A class fighters? Wow you are desperate.

    Nothing you type would surprise me at this point.



    What does that have to do with Hall of fame LHW Virgil Hill saying Roy HIT HIM THE HARDEST he had been hit?


    I just pwned you with stats above. They can be useful, but they are not the end all be all.


    Ducked all threats like Hopkins, unbeaten Toney, Tarver, and Ruiz.:lol::patsch

    And I think Joe being honest would tell you he would never have tried that stunt with a prime Jones.




    Jones has beat multiple fighters that have beat Tarver and Johnson.. Your stats will show they couldn't have been much better.


    Quite honestly I am sick of the Jones-DM argument, and there is no way I would get into that with you.
     
  6. BlizzyBlizz

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    Jones fought the same way to these scumbag overeas degenerates. They choose the old kod Roy because they know about Jones's prime. Jones would be a serious problem to Kov.

    Stay jealous of America mofos, because Jones will always be seen as greater than Calzaghe, and would beat Kovs ass in his prime.

    Side note: It's not Calzaghes fault. Just circumstance.

    Anyway, and for the record...America ****s all over where you live lol. Stay ****ed.
     
  7. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    But with that said, talking about this comparison now is a mistake, and a chance for the fat ugly scumbag degenerate like Foxy to get his tiny rocks off. Lol
     
  8. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yes he held the WBC title, compared to DM's WBA, WBO, and IBF titles.
     
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    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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  10. Imperial1

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    :lol:
     
  11. Mind Reader

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    Foxy, I edited my earlier post to be more clear about some things.


    Is this a fact or an opinion? There have been some great fighters over the years that have won that award for a great year of boxing.. Being RING Magazine Fighter of the Year is a nice feather to have in your cap IMO, especially looking back at all the history and the great fighters that got it. I feel like a fighter would like to be apart of that history, and consider it an honor.

    Glen's 04 resume consisted of wins over Clinton Woods, Roy Jones Jr and Antonio Tarver... Now explain to me how that 31-0 run against half that were cans with a losing record are better than those wins? This should be good.:lol:

    Well it certainly proves more than going 8-0 against cans.. Going 8-0 against cans the fighter has not proven they can share the ring with a world class fighter... See where I am coming from? I showed you a perfect example where 4-4 could be thought of as superior to 8-0.



    Who is K Jones TFO? are you saying the cans he beat at MW are better than Roy?:lol:

    I am referring to Johnson's competition above MW, it was clearly better competition.. There is no point arguing this. It is irrefutable.


    No, I was expecting Jones to beat Johnson and have a rubber match with Tarver... The Johnson loss was a shock, but afterwards I realized Jones was done at the world class level. Though I do believe B.Hop spotted the decline in Jones, because he predicted that Johnson would beat Roy.

    Now you are getting desperate and just down right ridiculous.. What does Hatton and DLH have to do with this??

    The fact that a Hall of fame LHW that fought at CW, said Roy Jones hit him the hardest he has ever been hit, would point towards Roy being a big puncher.. Isn't that the debate here? Please stick on topic.
    Don't flatter yourself dude, you are in no way winning this debate, and the fact that you have to resort to childish insults is a testament to that.
     
  12. drenlou

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    Y'all must have forgot! Roy was a very special fighter in his HEY day and was perceived at that time as unbeatable.... Jones schools kova.
     
  13. tinman

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    Kovalev is very special too. That type of power is basically unheard of. He might be one of the top 5 hardest punchers ever p4p. You have guys saying he hits harder than any heavyweight they've ever encountered at 175.
     
  14. Mind Reader

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    I believe it is voted?


    That 0-1 statistic sells Harding short being as how he was a big southpaw and won a shot at Jones by breaking Tarver's jaw and gave Jones his toughest fight in years.

    Loook I am not saying Glen Johnson was a great fighter, I am saying that for his career, those were decent wins for him. He is the perfect example of a tough journeyman with many ups and downs in his respectable career.

    No, it would be pointless with you, but beating Woods-Jones-Tarver in one year was the best thing he did in his career.. It was the first and only time he established himself to being thought of by many as the man of a division.

    The winning does count, but 4 good wins count more for me than 8 complete nothing wins.


    Jones has been knocked out, we all know, change the record.


    Glen's competition after he moved up to LHW is better than many fighters.


    It doesn't translate to anything, it is how I wrote it. Now you are flat out putting words into my mouth. Another desperate move when being flat out spanked in a debate.


    Now you are calling Virgil Hill a liar? Totally dismissing Jones' crushing body shot that had Hill practically paralyzed on the canvas as Virigl was bull sh ittting and Roy was not a big puncher at LHW? You are mad. I forgot what fight, but I remember Lampley and Merchant talking about that shot a while later, saying they could still hear it and it sounded like a gun had fired.



    Shut up with this. Virgil said Roy hit him the hardest he has ever been hit.. Hill went 12 with DM, Hill is in the hall of fame.. His words and actions speak louder than your comparisons of completely different situations that are not even on point with what I am saying.

    Not to mention it is a horrible example.. Oscar was much smaller than the natural LHW Hopkins, so what if Hopkins hit him harder than he had been hit??? Virgil was naturally larger than Roy, that had went 12 rounds against an elite LHW puncher in DM.




    You are just a biased hater, I have shot down all your silly little theories, and got you mad enough to call me names like you are some sort of child.:lol:

    Not only do you hate Roy, but you hate me without even knowing me because of where I was born, like either of us had a choice in that right?:rofl

    You have been exposed as a very closed minded person, incapable of having a good debate.

    School is out.:deal
     
  15. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I still cant believe many dummies still feel kovalev could beat a prime jones (that still fought at light heavyweight before moving in heavyweight) just cause kovalev got pop i mean seriously are you ppl here really really re****ed?? Yeah jones may not have a great chin but he has an amazing speed with pop of his own. Now jones doesnt have the pop like kovalev but he can hurt kovalev. If Pascal can hurt Kovalev, imagine what a prime roy jones would do to Kovalev? You ppl that feels kovalev can beat a prime roy jones should never ever talk about boxing. Too many re****ed europeans knuckle heads here that thinks kovalev can beat a prime jones smh.