Would Mayweather coming out to trade be a downfall or a great strategy?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by abuffy, Mar 23, 2015.


  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A part of me says it's a good idea because it'll be a great fight and we could see Mayweather's great timing exemplified, and another part of me says it's a bad idea.

    Mayweather has spent the entirety of his career practically being a defensive fighter. He has capabilities to fight toe-to-toe as he's shown in his younger days, but his style is mostly focused on outsmarting and outboxing opponents, "Working smarter not harder".

    On the flip side, Pacquiao his entire career has been an offensive force. Fighting toe-to-toe is his bread and butter. He's boxed a few times, spots with Bradley, Rios, and even Algieri a little bit. However, 90% of his fights is built around wanting to sit there and trade with you. That's what he prefers because that's when he is most successful.

    If Mayweather comes out with the intent to trade with Pacquiao, will this be smart or detrimental to his chances to win?

    I can believe, and know, that Mayweather is a great all-around fighter, but he excels in defense. Manny excels in offense, and a part of me feels it wouldn't be smart to come out and fight Manny on his turf, where he excels, and where he wants Floyd.

    I think we can all agree that Pacquiao has more power, but I do believe Mayweather power's is underrated as well. Even then, I don't think it's smart to ever trade with someone who's faster, more powerful, and elite just like you. Mayweather has the size advantage, but Pacquiao has proven that size has never been a problem for him, at least up to 5"11 and 162 pounds since that's the highest he's fought.

    I think it would be better to force Pacquiao to think and chase. Even though that strategy poses a risk at getting outpointed, it still keeping the fight where Floyd wants it. Because if he goes to trade with Manny, he's stepping into an ATG's playing field. I mean boxing Manny Pacquiao is one thing, but fighting Manny Pacquiao is another.

    Manny has the experience and success in trading. I feel it may be a fatal move, same way if Pacquiao went out there and tried to box and potshot Mayweather.

    You want to play to your strengths, and Mayweather's greatest strength style-wise is his defense and cat-like slyness. Pacquiao's greatest strength style-wise is going toe-to-toe and fighting. So, I think Mayweather should stick to boxing Pacquiao than fighting his fight. I think this gives Pacquiao the home playing field and more opportunities to land something big on Mayweather. An unnecessary risk that isn't warranted in a fight like this!

    What do you think?
     
  2. Console Command

    Console Command Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can see mayweather having success walking Manny down, might just be me tho
     
  3. MN_Logan

    MN_Logan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think it would be wise to trade with a guy who has the hand speed or punch output that Pacquiao has.
     
  4. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Trading would be the dumbest thing he could do. Pacman throws combos. Floyd does not. He'll be taking 3,4 shots for every one he throws and that's a sure fire way to lose unless you got some skull crushing hurting bombs for punches.
     
  5. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    While I agree that Manny's speed should be respected, I am not one to believe this myth of Manny's punch output, at least not at 147. He is pretty sloppy when he throws combos these days, even if you look at his last fight. Yes he punished Algeri, but he missed a lot of punches in that fight on a guy who wasn't ready for the stage.

    Manny just hits hard and fast, but his combo punching, in the last few years, has been severely overrated.
     
  6. Mr_Harry

    Mr_Harry Guest

    is it the size or the motion in the ocean for you?
     
  7. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree. Algieri wasn't ready for the big stage, but he was a runner. Sure, he showed great boxing ability against Provodnikov, but he was a runner the night he fought Pacquiao.

    Pacquiao still landed 34% of his punches (46% power punches).

    To put this into perspective, Pacquiao landed 35% against Bradley 2014 and landed 34% against Bradley 2012. We can even go further back. Against Shane Mosley, he landed 31% (didn't even throw a hundred more punches too). Want to go even more back? 2008, he landed 21% of his punches against Marquez in their rematch and threw less than he did in any of the fights I mentioned above. Heck, one of his greatest performances- his fight with ODLH - he threw more than 100 punches less than he did Algieri, Bradley 1, Bradley 2, Marquez 2, and Shane Mosley and only landed 4% higher than against Algieri (34%) and 3% more than on Bradley 2. (35%)

    All in all, I have to respectfully disagree. His #'s show continuous consistency even at this age, even when we go back to his fights in 2008/2009.

    And for his fight with Algieri, impressively, he was still able to maintain his landing % avg against someone who ran the entire night while still throwing many punches (almost 700).
     
  8. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd can win either way. He needs to jab his way in if he walks Manny down.
     
  9. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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  10. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    trading with pacman is suicidal I hope the coward gets flustered and tries it:nut
     
  11. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Terrible idea and would abandon his key attribute. Mayweather doesn't need to 'trade punches.' I'm telling you now, Mayweather will dictate this fight and will decide if he wants to get off first, or let Manny punch and over-extend. Mayweather will control range, and when he doesn't, he'll smother Pacquiao in the clinch while digging to the body. (That step in move where he digs his shoulder to the mid-section. A bit dirty because you can deliver a blow with your shoulder using your opponent's momentum, but very veteran/smart.)

    This doesn't mean Pacquiao won't land some punches and have his moments, but it won't be consistent. Pac will end up landing around 20% just like everybody else. People who think he's throwing 800-900 punches vs Floyd are crazy.

    I'm amazed at how some people (haters) don't understand how cagey Mayweather really is, on the inside in particular. This used to be a weakness in his game and he turned it into a strength. The old thought was to get inside and muscle Floyd, not anymore. Even bigger guys are having trouble doing it.

    Manny is going to be broken down mentally and physically in this fight from round to round. Out-boxed from the outside, and Manny will get mauled by Mayweather in the clinch. Yes, I said it: Floyd will absolutely maul Manny on the inside. Manny has absolutely no answer for Floyd on the inside.

    Personally, I see this fight taking place in the middle of the ring. Manny isn't going to recklessly charge forward like an idiot. They will end up boxing in the middle of the ring which will play into Floyd's type of fight. Manny isn't a "rush a guy to the ropes" kind of fighter, and he doesn't have the size/strength or skill on the inside to push Mayweather around. More of a boxer puncher with an unorthodox style and ATG speed. Manny is an ambush fighter.
     
  12. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    Wouldn't it be great for once if mayweather "gave his own fans what they want to see"

    I am sure if you ask any of his fans they would want a knockout so why shouldn't he take a risk and trade with pac he is the stronger fighter as his fans say:hey
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Why would it? Mayweather is the bigger fighter and has a better Chin than Pacquiao does.
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    He'd have to do it in spots, he can't come out and fully trade. Pac has faster hands and throws better combinations with more power IMO. If Floyd trades then it should be 3-5 punch combos, step back, counter. I think people mistake standing in the pocket with going toe to toe. He's not going to Gatti-Ward trade, that's stupid for anyone. Slip punches, counter, step back.