If Maidana can land on Floyd then he'll get more with Pacquiao

You really don't know much at all about boxing, do you?

A straight left is the southpaw equivalent of an orthodox straight right. A right jab is the southpaw equivalent of an orthodox left jab. THE SOUTHPAW STANCE IS JUST A MIRROR VERSION OF THE ORTHODOX STANCE. This is boxing 101.

No, a southpaw doesn't counter an orthodox jab with his left hand, because both of them are using their left hands. A southpaw throws a right jab over the orthodox fighter's jab.

 

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People seriously need to stop acting like the southpaw stance is some great mystery that has puzzled human minds for centuries. Like I said in my last post, it's nothing more than a mirror version of the orthodox stance.

 

Do either of you gentlemen box at all?

Because...a mirror version is exactly what it is, which is why I'm saying what I'm saying.

In opposite stances, the natural counter for a hook is a hook.
In mirrored stances, the natural counter for a hook is a rear hand.

In opposite stances, the natural counter for a rear hand is a hook (or a rear hand down the middle, slightly more difficult).
In mirrored stances, the natural counter for the rear hand is a rear hand down the middle (or a hook down the middle, slightly more difficult).

In opposite stances, the natural counter for a jab is a jab (or a rear hand over the shoulder, slightly more difficult).
In mirrored stances, the natural counter for a jab is the rear hand.

All of that is subject to foot positioning/angles, but it's pretty textbook.

This is why fighting southpaws is more difficult for an orthodox fighter. The natural counters are reversed, so you don't feel as automatic when you punch. You also aren't as prepared for what's coming back, because once again, it's reversed.

Again, I'll go back to "you probably haven't boxed." Or you're one of the majority of boxers who don't know anything about southpaws.

 

Sure, sometimes. It's not the natural or ideal counter though. It's more of a positioning maneuver. Manny and Rigondeaux do this quite a bit, actually.

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Oh, look, I'm right. That's such a surprise...

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In opposite stances, the natural counter for a jab is the straight right. Again, this is boxing 101.

 

Oh, look, it works for other fighters too.

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If you think that, then once again, you have not boxed.

It's a good counter, but landing it requires very good timing and it is not high percentage. It's more of a thing you do after you've got the range and timing down (which you get by countering the jab with the jab).

Any trainer in the world will teach the catch-and-jab or slip-and-jab as the natural counter for the jab.

 

I have boxed enough to know what you said is complete BS. You can't use the rear hand like you do the jab. (lead hand) If you try to, you're going to get timed and caught. You have time to react to the punch. It is the "rear hand," you can see it coming a mile away.

No, the straight left is not anything close to the equivalent of an orthodox jab. It's a rear hand attack. LET ME SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY KEEP MISSING IT: REAR HAND VS LEAD HAND. There is a difference.

You're literally trying to argue for using your rear hand in the same fashion as you would your lead hand. It's completely re****ed on multiple levels frankly. You also keep the rear hand back to protect yourself. Something that seems to escape you and another reason why I know you're full of BS. If you tried to fight the way you are claiming is effective, your ass would have been knocked around the ring enough to know what you're saying is wrong. I guess us "non-boxers" just don't get it though.

 

I'm arguing that the angle that a rear hand from a southpaw takes is very similar to that taken by the jab of an orthodox fighter.

And if you watched the first video I posted, you would see that Pacquiao uses the exact technique that you refer to as re****ed. It's one of the staples of his offense.

You clearly have not boxed enough to know how to fight a southpaw, or how to fight as a southpaw.

 

The angle doesn't matter. It's the "REAR HAND." Let me break that down for you.

You can shoot the orthodox jab from the same angle identical to the straight left from a southpaw. Let's just give you that hypothetical situation.

Even still, the rear hand is far easier to see coming because it has more distance to travel. You can't just lead without some sort of deception. It is EASILY COUNTERED with a step to the left and a straight right.

Your entire premise of the "angle" is negated WITH A SINGLE STEP!!!! atsch


You keep saying I clearly haven't boxed, but you look like a complete re**** with what you're saying bro. Seriously. You're literally arguing against some boxing fundamentals. This isn't exactly ground breaking stuff. This is stuff you learn early on.

 

Boxing is counterintuitive and I'm not going to waste all of my time explaining concepts to a person who doesn't understand them. Go to your gym and get some sparring with quality southpaws. Learn what works for you.

It's easy to tell that you're talking about something you haven't experienced, or have only experienced at a very low level.

Back to my point: Floyd gets hit with jabs and left crosses from orthodox fighters. Maybe this won't matter much, since Floyd rarely uses the jab against southpaws (Floyd actually knows how to box, unlike many of his fans).

 

Again, not replying to the content, just deflecting. You've been proven to be talking out of your ass dude. Just save face and bow out.

 

The deception you talk about could be a feint, break in rhythm, or a right jab. I'm not suggesting Pacquiao will just throw his left out there. Every punch can be countered and avoided so I don't see your point.

A lot of fighters NEVER learn how to fight a southpaw.

 

I've posted videos illustrating my point. You're giving out boxercise fundamentals like they're gospel when applied to real fighters.