And what good has this though process done you? It's been shown to be wrong time and time again. Going on your hunch that Wlad never improved, you went against the grain and predicted doom against Haye, Povetkin, and Pulev, and was badly wrong every single time.
It's going to be OK, Dino. Just show us where the bad man, Mr. Klitschko, hurt you, and we'll track him down. He's not going to get away with this, wrecking the last 10 years of a good man's life like he has.
I see it as 1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Larry Holmes 4. Lennox Lewis 5. Wladimir Klitschko Liston and Tyson at 6 and 7.
That works. I think I have to start re-evaluating Louis. On an ATG list I fluctuation between having him 1st or 2nd, but I seem to lower him quite significantly on a H2H list because of his size.
His record and his performances suggest that his prime has been the 8 years he has dominated the division. Or are primes supposed to last longer than 8 years? In which case, I would like to know Joe Frazier's prime, Jack Dempsey's prime, Henry Armstrong's prime, Mike Tyson's prime... I get the feeling you just don't know a lot about the sport.
I may not know a lot about the sport but I know for a fact nobody expected Wlad to be knocked out by Brewster and Sanders because he was pre or past prime and im pretty sure the same applied when he fought Purrity. What was he in the fights immediately before and after those losses when he was blitzing guys left and right? He took losses because he isn't as great a boxer as you think he is. The Povetkin fight was irrefutable proof of that.
Dino just let's his hatred towards Wlad blind him, I don't think he DKSAB, just can't look at things objectively and has to delude himself regarding anything related to Wlad.
I don't blame him. We're dealing with a serious case of PTSD here thanks to what that monster's been doing to innocent fight fans around the globe during this reign of terror. You think Dino and the others like having to post thousands of times about Wlad over the course of years? Of course not. That would be silly. These were good men. But that blasted Klitschko kept on winning and winning, not giving the slightest care about who he was (and is) destroying. We see cases like this from time to time. Sometimes it's Klitschko. Sometimes, Golovkin. Other times, it's Mayweather. It was Calzaghe for awhile, and Roy before him. Our working theory is that there's some genetic marker in many fans that produces a violent response to certain fighters winning. The cumulative long term damage that results from those fighters' sustained dominance is genuinely tragic to see. Denial, delusions, living in the past, inability to avoid threads where the subject is named (or even just implied), rage, revenge fantasies...and that's just the tip of it. And you think scumbags like Klitschko, Golovkin, and Mayweather care at all how they've turned these innocent, docile fans into twisted shells of themselves? Of course not. They're too busy "winning". But what about the dinovelvets of the world?
No. Walcott is absolutely nowhere near the top twelve at heavyweight head to head, and may not be in the top twenty. I would place him below Charles and Langford for example. Johnson...possibly, there's an argument there somewhere.
I know bro, I was mostly messing with you anyways. I know your feeling on Walcott (and it saddens Big Rooster and I greatly). Though I would have Johnson in my top 10
Just going to throw this one at you, but perhaps Walcott ranks higher head to head, than he does in terms of resume. He got his opportunity very late in his career, and he had pretty much everything on paper. What if he had been given the same opportunities as Louis from the opening gate?