Mayweather lifting weights for the Pacquiao fight

Just seems more simple to me, develope strength,without sacrificing speed.

 

Weights teach you to become stronger at being slower? What about the olympic lifts and their derivatives, what about ballistic exercises? Even slow strength is scientifically proven to improve RFD. Think about it, you need to create an impulse to overcome inertia whenever you move. That's why heavy slow weightlifting also helps with agility (again, repeatedly proven in the scientific literature).
I also have to ask, why on earth is any boxing club including lifting weights? That's where you go for sports coaching, no wonder the other one was more successful. You don't go to basketball practice and start lifting weights, that takes place in additional sessions, and it's run by someone who knows what the **** they are doing (the S+C coach, not the sports coach).

 

What's this protocol for sacrificing speed? You'd have to have a very focused bodybuilding training routine with a heavy focus on nutrition for weight gain to create pennation angles to a point where it's going to result in slower movement.
Athletes don't/shouldn't train like that. To do that you're not going to have time for your boxing training, so it's not happening anyway.
Strength is foundational, without it you limit your ability to express speed and power. That's why the fastest athletes in the world lift heavy weights.

 

What you gotta understand, the interest in this fight, is being played out now to increase revenue.Talkin PPV , and we take the hook. Lol

 

I just believe , the outcome of this fight will be the man that can, overcome the others defence,if floud has awesome d ,but can his d overcome p output.

 

So true. Disagree about the aerobic requirements, but that said I compketely agree that the outdated paradigm was well... Just that outdated.

 

Why is your reaction to everything so hostile? Just curious. As soon as I posted that, I thought, cue angry sounding response from dealt_with. There's a reason guys who look like Mark Coleman gas out (see UFC 14 and his fight with Maurice Smith). Put an Olympic weightlifter in a boxing ring and watch him gas out in a few seconds despite all this vaunted "speed and flexibility" you speak of. Who are the fastest big fighters? Fat ones like James Toney, Kirk Johnson, Corey Sanders, and Larry Holmes. Why are they so fast (besides Toney, being an ex middle)?

Weightlifting with the legs is one thing, but these modern fighters seem to have way less stamina than the 15 round fighters of the early 80s ... I wonder if punch output per weight class on average is down or up. I imagine it would be slightly down.

 

Dealt With thinks these guys are doing it all wrong :blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZvX7B5TCg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvTwyIWs1o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqvCZlRVZpc


Of course Dealt_With knows more about boxing than Roy Jones Jr. and Sergei Kovalev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfs6WE5Y9IY

Looks like he's so stupid it's not even funny.

 

definitely memo who recommended weights to floyd

 

And if Floyd has been doing weights for legs as he moves up, that isn't a good recommendation for them - his legs look way worse than they used to, especially in the Cotto, Madaina I, and near the end of Madaina II where fatigue set in. He didn't need to use them much in the Canelo fight (what a masterpiece, standing right in front of him and making him miss while hitting him at will - probably Floyd's last great career performance).

 

True. I'm curious though if strengthening the legs through plyos, squats/deadlifts type of lifts really hurts mobility, as long as flexibility is maintained as well. If he's not that much heavier but has stronger kegs and a stronger base, does that impair mobility? You've trained old school and I'm guessing lift as well... Any input you can offer of why it would?

 

The key, in my opinion, is not to put on too much muscle for your frame to carry naturally. So light squats probably wouldn't be very different from plyometrics except in the range of motion. However, nothing puts on weight like squats and deadlifts, and a boxer wants to be as light as possible. A guy too heavy for his weight class takes a lot of damage and harder hits than his bone structure should sustain. I think it is a very delicate balance and is not at all as straightforward as people suggest.

I always stopped lifting during competition, at least a few weeks before, after pulling a biceps badly in one of my first matches when I was still lifting right before. I'm always in favor of sports specific training with the exception of obvious things like the neck thickening. If you have a spindly little neck you can expect to suffer for it with a clean shot. Speed and endurance always seemed better when I wasn't lifting, ability to push in the clinch and manhandle people slightly better when I was.

I think different people will react to it differently, though. But to say that strength training doesn't lead to "gas guzzling" fighters is flying in the face of what we have seen in the last 15 years, flat footed and stationary strong punchers with low activity levels who gas in the late rounds and guys like Floyd and Hopkins who have used traditional training methods still seeming fresher than their opponents throughout most of their careers. Mosley is a prime case at 154 - doesn't throw at all in the second Oscar fight, stops lifting, and then looks like a young guy throwing punches in bunches against Colazzo.

If Floyd gases in this fight or looks stiff, I will certainly blame the emphasis on resistance training.

 

Weights equals strength , but not power or speed. I have yet to see in any sport where speed is a key factor weights improve this.

I was a pro golfer for a few years (not a good one) and everyone who hit the weights didnt hit it a bean further.

Same with weights in boxing, but maybe Floyd just wants to be more solid and stronger at the weight.

 

This could work out in two ways.

1)His power becomes sharper and results in the ability to seriously hurt Pacquaio enough to make him gun shy or knock him out.

2)He becomes easier to hit and takes a terrible beating.

 

Dealt with is the only one in this thread who has a clue what he is talking about.
So if weight training, like Olympic lifts, squats and dead'd, don't improve speed and explosivness, can you please explain to me why The Olympic sprinters spend as much time in the weight room as on the track?
Can someone explain to me how Olympic weightlifters, actually have the best acceleration of any athlete, and acceleration, is purely based on power.
Now if all Floyd was doing was lifting, it'd be an issue, but the fact he is lifting, as part of a program specific to what him and his team around him see as the best way to beat Pac(and he will, easily), is only covering all bases.

Remember in his camp are Ariza, unanimously regarded as a c.unt but an expert of a S and C coach, and Floyd snr, and Uncle Roger, who may just happen to know a thing or 2 about boxing.