Why were "small" men able to dominate the HW division?

For those who would like to see a smaller heavyweight champion, I'm here to say there is hope after Wlad retires. Who? Oleksandr Usyk.

I'd guess his at least 210 pounds before he drains to make the 201 Cruiser weight limit. He has the frame to add 5-10 more without losing speed, or stamina.

How good is he? I think he's more skilled and faster than Povetkin, and based on what I have seen in the amateurs can take a heck of a punch too.

[url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Oleksandr_Usyk[/url]

 

David Haye was another small guy who moved up and was successful, although he got shutout by Wlad, i believe he still could have been a major force in the division maybe him or Povetkin at #2

 

1. Yohan Blake and Tyson Gay aren't tall sprinters and they aren't
so far away from Bolt's best time. I say again Bollt isn't Bolt the first big or tall good sprinter.
All in all Bolt isn't better athlete than Blake he uses long legs.
But he isn't so explosive.He's a unimportant 50/60m sprinter.
in 1973 the best:S.Williams
in 1974 the best 100m: S. Williams 192 cm tall about 6'3.5"
Bolt 6'5". 1.5 inches isn't a big difference.
Other world class tall sprinters:Obikwelu,H. Crawford 190 cm,S. Rid**** 190 cm. The tall good sprinter isn't a new thing.
I think Carl Lewis was much more talented athlete than bolt
but he wasn't full-time sprinter.He's the greatest long jumper and
he was a great sprinter this is much more impressive than the
one-dimensional Bolt.
Plus you forget Bolt is Black and not white.The black sprinters
rule the 100 m because they have better genetical talent for this.
(The boxing is another question we know great white fighters
like Marciano,Dempsey or Valuev(who's much more talented than the
ectomorph bulked klitschkos.The bulking is nothing to do with the
talent.Valuev isn't bulked strong man.The amateur wladimir was
skinny and featherfisted.)

Otherwise last times Bolt wasn't very good.
I can see big chance for new world records by other sprinters.

2.Wilder is bulked but he's still skinny.He's a classic ectomorph like
Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko .

3.performance vs. performancel Bowe wasn't better than Holyfield
1 Fight: Bowe beat a very skinny 205 pounds Holyfield
The 205 pounds for 6'2" was skinny in every era .
This Bowe win hasn't big sport value.
2. Fight: the 217 pounds Holyfield beat Bowe.Obviously he was the better.
3. Fight: the 213 pounds Holyfield knocked down Bowe (Holyfield
was the first who knocked down Bowe).
Bowe won but it was a lucky win because Holyfield wasn't healthy.
Basically Evander was the better. I understand you can't accept
this . But why was 66-65 for Holyfield by 3 judges ?
I think the judges know the boxing better than you. Just a hysterical
klitschko fan can't accept tha facts.

4. You don't know well.Lewis won only one Holyfield fight when
Evander was 37 years old.
But like i said the 37 years old prime Lewis wasn't better against
V.Klitschko than the 37 years old Holyfield against the prime Lewis.
This proves (like it or not) Holyfield was better than Lewis.
5. I prefer the prime vs prime fights for H2H.
And the prime 217 or not healhty 213 pounds Holyfield was
better against Bowe than the prime Lewis against V. Klitschko
(Considering klitschko used Lewis like a punchin' bag) .
(Otherwise Lewis was **** against the "big" F. Bruno.Just he was lucky because Bruno was tired.)
You forget maybe the 208 pounds Holyfield destroyed the prime
"big" Douglas by classic one punch ko.
I don't know only one case when Lewis,klitschko brothers or
Bowe beat a prime healty ATG(Top 10) who was heavier than
205 pounds.
This proves Holyfield was very good against the tall or big fighters
just he was far away from a cherry-picker.
You don't know the objectivity when you can't accept the objective
circumstances.
It isn't big thing an aging or mental/physical problematic fighter
beating. The aging Holyfield went full 24 rounds with the prime
"bulked" Lewis. By your opinion this means Holyfield was ****
against the "big" fighters. It's funny because the 6'4" fat 37
years bum Sanders destroyed wladimir klitschko in the second round
and knocked down wladimir 4times.Say a similar weak performance
against a "big" fighter by Evander ! I don't know only one example.
A good Holyfield hadn't problem with the "big" fighters but wladimir klitschko has problem with the "big" fighters but you ignore this.
Why? Do you hate the objectivity? Do you wanna lie again and again?
Can you enjoy this ?
An objective boxing fan uses the healthy prime fighter vs healthy
prime fighter example.

 

VVMM you are all over the map. Sometimes you argue against "Staw Men', things I do not contest, other times ignore all evidence such a as Holyfiled & PEDs You also ascibe opinions to me that are ABSOLUTELY false & not in evidence-I am not even a Klitchko fan. And are you so used to cruel insults back & forth that you assume I LIE for no reason? Not just disagree, but lie? atsch

1) I never said Bolt was unique. But finding one printer within a couple inches of him does not change that he is taller than other top sprinters-& he is the best ever. So what he is not the best in the 1st 1/2 of races-though still world class-he is a champion as sprint distances, the fastest ever, & like Lewis does not have the fastest start.

The best black sprinters may actually have better genetics.

Klitchko bros are FAR more "bulked" than Wilder at 6' 7" & 219. But you say featherfisted, before Wlad is not near top 100 ATG HWs-despite no losses in well over a decade & superb KO & & all the title defenses...Your opinions are incredibly extreme & untenable. Now Valuev is more talented than the K-bros, are you kidding me? He is mainly a giant

You have a bad habit of assuming folks are making the same extreme, love or hate a guy argument that you do. Hear what I actually say & OBSERVE if i am making extreme arguments like taller is always better.

As stated above, Holyfield is 1-4 aginst the SHWs. Clearly though Lewis was too cuatious he deserved both wins. Lewis was robbed once, judges corrupt. Anyway he was great overall, but WITH using illegal drugs that helped TRANSFORM his natural physique beyond all the lifting.

VERY few HWs fight prime ATGs. It is biased to say Vitali was completely dominating Lewis, who was coming back, AND stopped him fair 7 square. But it is EXTREME bias to say Lewis was
"prime" in his late 30's slightly overweight last fight. NOBODY believes this, & he did not look prime either.

Douglas was not "prime" against Holyfield, he was fat, soft, & unmotivated. Holyfield may be more like 6' 1" as he is some places listed. But 205 was NOT skinny for either height until at least the 80's.

Anyway I did not say a smaller guy could never hang with a larger one. But you pick 1 bad loss by a Klitchko ages ago to say HE has problems with big guys, while Holyfield is really 1-4 against SHWs?

You KNOW you are the deeply biased one.

You must know you sterotype those who differ with you as being as EXTREME as you. Not even NOTICING something like me not being a K-Bros fan.

But when you say Wlad is not near the top 100 H2H you betray insane bias. MAYBE you can have him not in the top 10 due to era.
But given his skills, size, & tremendous 11 year run...

It is very hard to be found sane on the issue if you refuse to place him in the top 20 even!

 

Haye's 6'3. Not sure he qualifies as a "small heavyweight"

 

I meant he wasn't a heavy or superheavy, he was a smaller guy like Holyfield, who moved up. As in he was a cw.

 

So odds are all the top heavyweight fighters of that era took drugs, and how do you know that Holyfield didn't starve himself to make the limit?? He was hospitalised after the Qawi fight for severe dehydration that says the opposite. Well if any fighter wanted to put on lean muscle mass then who could possibly be better than an expert in the field like Lee Haney?? You're making big assumptions with no evidence at all..

 

I doubt Haye is 6'3" even though he is always listed as such. He is no taller than Carl Froch.


[url]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carl+Froch+David+Haye+Media+Training+Day+NsZtYyoagPBl.jpg[/url]

 

Well for one thing, heavyweights were naturally smaller than they are today, but size isn't everything, it's how you use that size. A smaller heavyweight can destroy a heavweight division because he's going to be faster, but he might also be a freak of nature where his punching power also matches the giants. Skills pay the bills at the end of the day. Lewis was a big a heavyweight, but he had the boxing ability to match his size. The Klitschko's are good. Personally I believe the next great heavyweight won't be a huge heavyweight, I believe he'll be like 6"3 with speed and skills that dominates the slower bigger heavyweights.

 

It honestly was the first one I found.

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How much has really changed though?

The super heavyweights who dominate the light heavyweights today, are basically following the blueprint that Primo Carnera showed against Tommy Loughran, if it even needed showing then!

 

Haye is likely 6'1.5 - 6'2
Two videos Wlad admits he only 6'5 there was clearly more then 2 inches center ring

BBC@3.24min: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsGtKjVU_NI[/url]
Conan: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZv60Bbutkw[/url]

 

how tall do you think?