Roach incident with Pacquiao, mad at recurring mistakes in sparring

abuffy · Mar 29, 2015

Typhoon said: ↑

maybe he can't do it as consistently. I believe there are two types of speed - single punch speed and combinations. When you see Pacquiao unleashing combos on heavy bag, it looks like something out of a video game. Floyd looks much slower. I think throwing a punch in one direction is much different than throwing, taking your arms back and throwing again... some may have the instinct and ability to throw fast punches but not throw as fast flurries.

on Roach being mad btw, i'm always amazed by how little Roach says in the corner during fights and how Manny seems to completely ignore him. It's as if he's listening to the other trainer and not Roach, maybe the other is translating?
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Haha, I think Pac is just focusing on catching his breath! Floyd seems that way too. He just stares at the opposite corner and doesn't even acknowledge his corner sometimes. I remember his father thought Floyd wasn't listening after he explained something, and Floyd looked up quickly and yelled, "I am listening! You said jab, jab, and then the right!"

So, I think Manny is listening, and all fighters, they're just focused and catching their breaths. Plus, we only see like 5 seconds in their corner every few rounds so we don't know how much Manny or Floyd responds.

I remember in the Bradley fight, Roach told Manny to go with the 1-2, and Manny went out there and immediately started doing it. It was really successful too. Or, during the Algieri fight when Roach said, "He's running so much." And Pac nodded, "Yeah," and Roach said, "Do you want me to go ask him to fight?" Haha!!!

Big-Business · Mar 29, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Haha, I think Pac is just focusing on catching his breath! Floyd seems that way too. He just stares at the opposite corner and doesn't even acknowledge his corner sometimes. I remember his father thought Floyd wasn't listening after Sr. explained something, and Floyd looked up quickly and yelled, "I am listening! You said jab, jab, and then the right!"

So, I think Manny is listening, and all fighters, they're just focused and catching their breaths. Plus, we only see like 5 seconds in their corner every few rounds so we don't know how much Manny or Floyd responds.

I remember in the Bradley fight, Roach told Manny to go with the 1-2, and Manny went out their and immediately started doing it. It was really successful to. Or, during the Algieri fight when Roach said, "He's running so much." And Pac nodded, "Yeah," and Roach said, "Do you want me to go ask him to fight?" Haha!!!
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:deal THIS!

Babality · Mar 29, 2015

Staminakills said: ↑

pac has been fightning EXACTLY the same for his whole career, people that actually knew of him pre US exposure kNOWS he hasnt changed a single thing.

roach trying to change him at 36 to fight a roach specific game plan will backfire and lead to a KO. pac needs to fight EXACTLY how he had always fought. changing him now will result in a worse beating than he will get anyways
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By beating you mean his face will look like he hasn't been in a fight at the end? I swear some of you speak as if you haven't seen Floyd fight before. You would think he was a KO artist or gave people beatings if you went by some of this forum's posters predictions. If he loses it will be by Mayweather running around potshotting. No beating or KO will be handed out by May, as usual.

alakran · Mar 29, 2015

Typhoon said: ↑

I don't think Floyd was ever faster... with hands or feet.

How many fighters have come out of the ring in awe of Pac's speed? a ton; not many have come out in awe of Floyd's speed. I do agree with you that Floyd was smarter, he took much less risks and made few mistakes. Don't forget though, DLH almost beat him and his win over Castillo was a bit controversial. DLH seems to handle Floyd's speed much better than Pac's speed, he couldn't see Pac's punches.
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DLH was fresher and fighting at his weight vs Floyd against pac he was literally a zombie

boxingscience · Mar 29, 2015

Very hard to change bad habits. Every boxer has habits, some good, some bad, and it's very hard to change what in the end is natural to the boxer, good or bad. Roach is getting frustrated because he knows Floyd will take advantage of any mistakes and Manny does make some mistakes. Roach knows this is a tough fight for Pacquiao but he's got to be careful he doesn't demoralize Pacquiao.

Typhoon · Mar 29, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Haha, I think Pac is just focusing on catching his breath! Floyd seems that way too. He just stares at the opposite corner and doesn't even acknowledge his corner sometimes. I remember his father thought Floyd wasn't listening after he explained something, and Floyd looked up quickly and yelled, "I am listening! You said jab, jab, and then the right!"

So, I think Manny is listening, and all fighters, they're just focused and catching their breaths. Plus, we only see like 5 seconds in their corner every few rounds so we don't know how much Manny or Floyd responds.

I remember in the Bradley fight, Roach told Manny to go with the 1-2, and Manny went out there and immediately started doing it. It was really successful too. Or, during the Algieri fight when Roach said, "He's running so much." And Pac nodded, "Yeah," and Roach said, "Do you want me to go ask him to fight?" Haha!!!
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it just looks like manny can't understand roach's slurred speech and the other dude is talking non-stop, as if repeating what roach says, to Manny.

the strategy thing can be problematic for this fight. If manny doesn't believe in Roach's strategy he me hesitant, second guessing himself and confused. I guess he has to have faith in freddie but sometimes it's hard to go out there and execute a strategy you don't believe in; after all, it's manny's fight, not Freddie's.

Typhoon · Mar 29, 2015

alakran said: ↑

DLH was fresher and fighting at his weight vs Floyd against pac he was literally a zombie
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a zombie, sure.... so weight affected his eye sight? he couldn't see punches.

Code Red · Mar 29, 2015

boxing_master said: ↑

You stupid *****

5 years ago pac was prime and would of knocked mayweather out by round 3
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5 years ago Mayweather was prime and according to Roach, Manny is not ready for that fight yet!

finalfight · Mar 29, 2015

Typhoon said: ↑

a zombie, sure.... so weight affected his eye sight? he couldn't see punches.
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Not at all. He just didn't have the energy to move and avoid them. The guy was on a drip pre-fight desperately trying to hydrate.

boxing_master · Mar 29, 2015

Love how *****s are always on damage control they are so sensitive its scary ROFL

C.J. · Mar 29, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Yeah but this if Floyd Mayweather who is better than his past 65 opponents.
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Is he really???? When did Floyd prove that?? Floyd has incredible boxing talents I must agree but talent alone doesn't make him an ATG. How will Floyd be if he's taken into the trenches & made to FIGHT!!!! Maidana showed what Floyd lacked in the cojones dept. Floyd was forced to hire Kenny Bayless to ensure Maidana didn't have chance to fight in the rematch. Manny is way ahead of Maidana so if Bayless is barred Manny has a great chance

C.J. · Mar 29, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Nah, I really don't think so. Mayweather had faster hands, faster feet, higher pace, 10x smarter... Pacquiao really didn't start focusing on smarts > his gifts until after his KO. Before then, he would've made too many mistakes and Mayweather was fast enough at that time to exploit it. Include in also how Mayweather had really good power at that time too.

A prime Mayweather is so, so hard to beat. His athletic ability in 2009 was just at high as his intelligence level. Now, his athletic gifts are slipping though his intelligence level remains just as high...but that slip in his gifts could be enough to Manny to get the upset, especially since Manny has really focused on being more intelligent. Not saying he'll outsmart Mayweather [you can't] but to beat Mayweather, you need the athletic ability + just enough intelligence, and I think Manny has really increased it since his KO loss.
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Antonia you list all Floyds attributes Yes he is a very talented boxer His God Given talent is incredible BUT sadly God did not give Floyd the courage, will & yes the cojones which are also needed in a fighter for him to be reagarded an ATG.
Maidana exposed Floyd in those fights the way Floyd cried " I'm cut look I see my blood" Then accused Tony Weeks of letting Maidana " Rough me up & Bully me" ROFL Then the coup de gras of " SCREAMMMMM He BIT ME"!!!!!!! In an attempt to get Maidana DQ'd
Floyd's big weakness is he just cannot FIGHT!!!!!

C.J. · Mar 29, 2015

abuffy said: ↑

Probably because Mayweather doesn't throw as many combinations and punches as Pacquiao. Can you imagine if the Mayweather of Gatti showed up? The Mayweather who actually threw combinations? That would be such a great fight.

Oh, and DLH was beat fair and square. It's like when people say Maidana or Canelo almost beat Floyd because a judge scored them the win or draw...but, we all know...they did not win.
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Castillo beat Floyd & at the very least Maidana deserved a draw in fight 1

Phanekim · Mar 29, 2015

i saw the video on this. freddie did say this. pacquiao tends to follow to try to bait this guy out. pacquiao has to listen to freddie.

saul_ir34 · Mar 29, 2015

boxing_master said: ↑

that style didn't serve him to bad for the other 65 fights

pac has been fighting that way his whole career and has had amazing success lightning doesnt strike the same place twice
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Lightning struck several times that fight. Did you only watch the last round?

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