Why doesn't Lennox have universal approval ?

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  1. 15thRound

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    Yes, it's commendable and Lewis deserves credit for proving that those losses were most likely flukes by avenging them.

    But let's not act like he took those rematches with little to gain and everything to lose.
     
  2. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah, thats pretty much how i see it too
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My point exactly.

    Every time a fighter steps into the ring he can potentially lose his health and possibility his life. Stepping into the ring after someone knocked you out in the last fight, is if nothing else, courageous.

    As for the gain side of the equation, you could make the same argument against every opponent fighting for the title. Presumably the upside of winning is going to exceed the downside of losing.
     
  4. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I cant see what more one could expect of him.
     
  5. 15thRound

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    I won't deny Lewis credit for avenging his losses. But the comparison with other fighters falls flat because the circumstances were so different.

    As you yourself pointed out, Ali and Holmes were way past their primes when they lost. Ali avenged his prime/near-prime losses to Frazier and Norton. Holmes deserved the win in his rematch with Spinks. Holyfield came back to collect wins over Bowe and Moorer. His other losses occurred when he was far past his prime and should have been retired.

    Foreman wanted a rematch with Ali but couldn't get one. He retired after his loss to Young, so Lewis compares favorably to Foreman in not being mentally soft enough to be driven into retirement under such circumstances.

    Frazier lost to an all-time great in Foreman. It's not the same as getting KOed by third-tier guys. Frazier was unable to avenge his loss, but he didn't duck a rematch.

    Liston never avenged his losses to Ali, but again, these were losses to an all-time great.




    Lewis' losses are most comparable to Tyson's loss to Douglas. Tyson never avenged this loss, but he never got the chance for a rematch. He was denied an immediate rematch, and then Douglas retired after getting KOed by Holyfield.
     
  6. VVMM

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    Lewis avenged his losses . And? He was vulnerable and glass-chinned
    a rematch can't chagne this. This means only one thing he won a rematch.
     
  7. VVMM

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    Otherwise Lewis deserves zero respect for his rematches because
    -McCall wasn't in prime and this win was ridicolous.
    -Rahman isn't/wasn't a good fighter.
    -Lewis was a coward in the Vitali Klitschko rematch case.

    Otherwise Tyson won 2 rematches (Bruno and Ruddock just big difference
    Tyson also won the first fights.)
    Lewis won 3 rematches. What a big difference !
    Plus Tyson had 58 fights and Lewis had 44.
    Check Tyson's record out after 44 fights !.It was 43-1.
    Lewis' record after 44 fights:41-2-1. (Plus his Vitali win was a lucky win by
    cut this fight proved Lennox was ****.)
    Tyson's record was much more better.
    Lewis' avenged rematches prove only one thing:he lost the first fights !
     
  8. VVMM

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    Who was bigger puncher than the 100% prime Tyson,Shavers,Smith
    or ****ey in Lewis' carrier ?
    - The fat,out of shape,unskilled,slow Tua who had only one remarkable ko win (Rahman).
    But i think this was the referee's fault.
    - Briggs( a bum-beater buffoon) who has only one decent ko win.
    -Vitali Klitschko who has only one decent ko win the 38 years old
    out of shape glass-chinned bum Sanders.

    I doubt it.
     
  9. johnmaff36

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    he done a better job of ruddock than tyson....but go right ahead and tell us how tyson soften him up :nut
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    Actually, it's almost the opposite. If he were glassed-chinned he would have been KO'd again. If he were glassed chinned Tua who connected full one with more than one punch, would have stopped him. If he were glassed-chinned, Mercer would have stopped him, Vitali would have stopped him, virtually everyone he fought would have stopped him, unless of course, you're saying he was the best defensive fighter in the division and was never hit.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    Man o man are you a fan of the sport or what?

    Bum-beater buffoons, fat out of shape this guy and that guy. Your love for the sport has no bounds.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

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    Tyson had a chance, he rematched Holyfield. And instead of trying to knock Holyfield out and avenge his loss he instead tried biting his ear off. Pretty pathetic compared to Lewis if you ask me.
     
  13. Vanboxingfan

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    Rumour has it that Ruddock had a pretty decent punch. Tyson himself said he hit like a mule.

    You remember Ruddock don't you?

    He's the guy Tyson struggled life and death with and Lewis dispatched in minutes.
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

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    And what do Tyson's no avenged matches against Douglas and more importantly Holyfield prove?

    It might prove that he could never have beaten Holyfield even on his best day, that's what it might have proved.

    As for Vitali, when you throw punches intended to cause damage and they do, you know what they call that?

    They call it boxing.

    And I know it was hard to tell with all the blood dripping from Vitali, but he was actually cut in 3 places, not just one.

    So either that was one of the best punches in the history of the sport, or Vitali got hit a lot more than your willing to accept.

    But not to worry, there's a whole slew of you demented Vitali nuthuggers who don't know the rules of the sport and can't accept the outcome. Thankfully people like the ref's doctors, judges, most sane fans, know that this was a legit win and funny enough every time I check the results of that fight, it still says TKO in 6.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

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    Are you sure they were third-tier guys? I thought they were fourth or five tier, or maybe they were just amateurs.