Klitschko has only defended the HW title TWICE....

If he brake the both records, you can cry as much as you want, he will be !!!

 

He has a few years ahead. There are still some decent names around. Jennings, Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Helenius.
They would spice up his resume a bit.
I think Wladimir will climb the ladder once he retires.

 

WHO determined a retired sick man was the highest rated contender?

WHO says beating a retired Ali is enough to establish a new lineage?

WHO uses guess work to determine lineage? 1+1=2, genius!

Holmes needed to rematch Weaver to establish lineage or fight Dokes a few years later. He did no such thing. Lineage died with Ali.

 

Both of these disagree with you.
http://www.arcaneknowledge.org/sports/linealprob.htm

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/achamp.htm

 

doesn't matter, there is no one alive right now that he could fight to save his horrendous resume. just because he made a career out of beating top 500 all time heavyweights does not give him the right to be called the greatest ever.

 

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Do you understand the term lineal? It's a direct line ... from one to another.

When Joe Louis announced his "retirement" - he took a check from the IBC so they could stage a little mini tournament and crown their own champ.

Ezzard Charles was eventually named their champ and was recognized as such in the U.S.

Meanwhile, Lee Savold was recognized in Europe as the heavyweight champion.

Ezzard Charles earned "lineal" recognition when he beat Joe Louis. He beat the last World Champ to become the new World champ.

That's how the lineal title passes from one to another.

Charles didn't then have to fight Lee Savold. It was a mute point. (In fact, Louis turned around and knocked out Savold.)

Like Louis, Ali took a check from Bob Arum so Arum could stage a WBA tournament that didn't involve all the top fighters - just the ones Arum promoted.

When Ali returned to the ring and fought Holmes, and Holmes knocked him out, Holmes became the lineal champ ... because he beat the last world champ to become the world champ.

That's how LINEAGE works.

And when Holmes beat Ali for the title, the only other heavyweight champ was Mike Weaver, who Larry Holmes had already knocked out in a title fight.

I don't know where the hell you got Michael Dokes from. He wasn't even in the picture at the time. He was fighting to a draw with Ocasio that year.

Nobody on the planet considered Mike Weaver the champ after Holmes stopped both Weaver AND Ali - not even Weaver.

 

They also disagree with Nay_Sayer/Cisco Route. Show your links to him.

 

Cool, so Jack Johnson wasn't lineal until he beat Jeffries. In your very literal world, retirement doesn't end lineage. You either lure a sad retired Champion out of retirement, or there is no lineage. Tunney never came out of retirement, so lineage ends with him. To bad nobody could get him in the ring and knock him out before he died in the 70s.

And nobody considered anybody but Wlad, the man, as of 2006 but take that up with the thread starter.

 

Here we go. You get exposed and now you have to run back a 100 freaking years to try to cover your butt.

The lineal champ is the person who beat the last world champ. That's what the term means.

If the lineage is broken and can't be started again (like Tunney retiring and never coming back), the two best meet to start a new lineage.

in 1980, Larry Holmes had already scored a stoppage win over the only other heavyweight champ (Weaver) AND he stopped the last LINEAL champ (Ali).

Who the hell was the champ if it wasn't Holmes?

C'mon Einstein. Who did he have to beat - after he'd already beaten the WBA champ and the last Lineal champ?

(Since you probably weren't even born then, the IBF and WBO didn't exist.)

According to you, apparently, he still had to beat the fourth-rated Michael Dokes who had just fought to a draw with Ossie Ocasio.

Larry Holmes was the lineal champ. If you don't realize that, you need to go study before posting here again.

 

So what the hell happens if a lineal champ theoretically retires undefeated?...no one can ever be lineal again?

 

to be fair only a goon would ague that ali was rightful lineal champ whilst in the first throes of Parkinsonians.

 

What?

Than that's not what the term means. And yeah...kind of like Charles/Walcott, making the Charles/Louis LINEAGE fight like Jeffries/Johnson before it nothing but a marketing ploy...like it was.

So in 2006, Lewis and Vitali are both gone and not coming back anytime soon. Wlad beat #1 IBF Champion Byrd and had a win over #2 and future WBC Champion Peter, than as in encore beat WBA and #3 Chag. Who the hell was Champ if not Wlad?

No, he had to beat Dokes after Dokes beat Weaver and estbablished the KING TAG TEAM.

No, I think you need to study more.

 

Replace "confusing" with worthless and you are more than a step ahead of the rest of the clowns in this thread. Except Boxed_Ears.

 

He doesnt get it. He wants to redefine something that has been followed for more than a century and knows more than actual historians....or so he thinks.