How Jimmy Young Exposed the Greatest

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jimmy Young won that fight with Ali by a score of 9-6...
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Terrell got thumbed or hit in the eye in round one.

    No, I'm saying it happened, but I'm not sure if it was a legal punch or a foul that damaged Terrell's eye. Does that make sense now?

    Ali went through women like a pack of gum. Many of his dark side comments are not repeated by the press.

    I recommend facing Ali, the book and the documentary film for the fighters take on Ali. You can also see the moment on film where Terrell claimed it was a foul. Some of the things Ali said were very racy.

    For example Ali was against forced integration.

    Ali was really an angry young man type who was smitten by the black muslim anti USA movement in the 1960's. The liberal pressed loved him because he was Anti Vietnam war, and stood up to the status quo.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker? Maybe Joe Frazier or Henry Armstrong.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If you don't think Frazier had trouble with a good jabber, you need to look at his face after the Ali fights.
     
  5. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Ali was just a better fighter. When we say that someone has trouble with something what that means, to me at least, is that they struggled against lesser fighters with that attribute. Arguello had trouble with movers; he lost to Ernesto Marcel sure but he was not Arguello yet and it's his loss to Fernandez that people bring up. Ken Norton had trouble with punchers- it's not the Foreman fight that people will bring up most often but the Shavers fight.
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    But the Norton that Foreman ko'ed was a better version than the one that Shavers beat.
     
  7. mcvey

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    IMO The fighter who was exposed in the Ali v Young fight was Young,Ali was a fat 230lbs 34 years old complacent champ, Young was 27.
    The fight was there for the taking for the challenger , but Young did not have the mentality of a champion, he did not seize his chance .
    There is a reason Young has 5 split decisions on his record.
    He was never willing to go the extra mile, he was never prepared to," let it all hang out "
    , "take his shot", "step up to the plate ",whatever the **** anyone wants to call it.

    That's why he was never the champ, because he was prepared to settle for second best.
     
  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    McVey, Young STILL deserved that decision...and of course, the title.
     
  9. mcvey

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    No one voted for him ,and you don't win fights by sticking your upper half out through the ropes to avoid punches.
    If you want the title you have to take it!
     
  10. nikrj

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    It's a pity that he has not been declared the winner of the Ali fight, as deserved ....
    He would have been the only man to have won both Ali and Foreman ...
    And his status would be considerably higher today.
     
  11. The Long Count

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    Young deserved the deciscion IMO. I had him up by two rounds. Ali looked terrible in that fight, fat, slow, too much clowning. Young's style left much to be desired but I think Ali got the nod because well he was Ali. Ali at his best easily handles Young to be clear but I feel the judges got this fight wrong. More wrong than Norton 3.
     
  12. mcvey

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    He would still be perceived as a negatively boring ,safety first fighter because that's what he was.

    DVD :The Highlight Rounds Of Jimmy Young .

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  13. Germanicus

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    Ali was there to be taken, and Young didn't do it. He simply didn't have the all out style that was necessary to take the title from the champ. Two years later a much more limited fighter in Spinks fought how you take the title from an aging and more ready to be taken Ali.
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, Jimmy Young won that fight, period...and any disagreement with that fact merely indicates bias against Young's style. When a fighter wins on points, he wins the fight...pure and simple. You DO NOT have to go after the champion in order to win. Points are points, and Young earned more of them in reality than Ali, despite the criminally obtuse scoring.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Doesn't matter mcvey...it's irrelevant...Young won that fight IMO, like Willie Pastrano won vs the great Harold Johnson. Being a fan of the fighter's style has nothing to do with it. Horribly criminal, Don King influenced officials stole that fight from Jimmy Young.