Prime for Prime-Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by tommygun711, Apr 23, 2010.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is a fantasy fight that I am genuinely unsure about.

    A lot would depend on how Tyson overcame certain stylistic factors.

    Tyson might have more chance in a rematch, than in the first fight.
     
  2. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im super intrested in what your saying i was really hoping you can continue manipulating?? go on sir continue manipulating .............
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Tyson would be too fast for Holyfield. Hed bob and weave and get inside. He wouldn't give Evander punching room. Hed work the head and body and outwork Evander for a decision or late stoppage
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manipulating?? Hahahaha. Old Holyfield beat Tyson twice, FACT!! Anything else is just fantasy...
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah especially once he gets hungry... :rofl
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As are Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Wlad and Vitali....
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    30% of athletes checked in a natural competition are usually disqualified & banned for life? I never heard a claim like this before.

    Xreatibe can be quite effective, but PEDS generally much more so. Certain precursor/prohormones can do better than setroids...

    I question objectivity when you say Tyson & Lewis used PEDs. We do not have theat evidence, & Tyson was ~ 200 lbs by his early teens.
     
  8. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    im just hoping that you can continue manipulating / i think your a pro i was hoping you can taech me how to manipulate like you can i want to learn:hat
     
  9. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is Xreatibe?

    As for prohormones - from Prohormones databs^

    The term prohormone has been used to refer to compounds that convert in the body into active hormones, providing the benefit of anabolic steroids without the legal risks associated with possessing and using something illegal. Some prohormones are actually steroid compounds not yet prohibited by laws governing steroid use and possession. These are also called 'designer steroids'.

    Prohormones and designer steroids use is popular among bodybuilders, since the effects can be similar to those achieved through the use of synthetic anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS), including gains in muscular strength and hypertrophy (muscle growth).

    Prohormones and designer steroids can have the same side effects as 'real' steroids. The potential for these side effects can be reduced if one uses proper precautionary measures such as on-cycle support supplements and post cycle therapy (PCT).

    So prohormones have the same effect - incrising testosterone levels, and same side effects as steroids.

    It's safe to say that though they are legal, they are in fact "legal PEDs".

    When athlete is using prohormones it doesnt mean he is clean.

    I meant clean athletes are those who use no more than protein shakes and creatine.
     
  10. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    I think Holyfield would have always beat Tyson. As quick, powerful, and skilled as Tyson was in his prime... Holyfield always had the answer.

    When they fought in '96 they were both past their best but still very good.

    Tyson beat Tillman KO1, Stewart KO1, Ruddock KO7, and Ruddock W12 after losing to Douglas (in 1990) and before going to prison (in 1992). After prison he beat McNeeley WDQ1 (in 1995), Mathis KO3, Bruno KO3 (WBC HW Title), and Seldon KO1 (WBA HW Title in 1996).

    Holyfield beat Douglas KO3 (in 1990), Foreman W12, Cooper KO7, and Holmes W12 before losing to Bowe L12 (in 1992). He came back and beat Stewart W12 (he had stopped Stewart KO8 in 1989) and Bowe W12 before losing to Moorer LMD12 (in 1994). He came back and beat Mercer W10 before losing to Bowe LKOby8 in 1995. He came back and beat Czyz KO5 in 1996.

    Tyson opened as a 25-1 favorite but at fight time the odds were 6-1.

    Anyway, people actually feared for Holyfield life (most people thought he had a heart problem) going into their fight in '96... it was supposed to be a mismatch. Holyfield looked like shlt against Bowe in '95 and was dropped and stopped despite almost having Bowe out in the 6th round. He looked fair against the past prime and overweight former LHW and CW Champ Czyz.

    Tyson was still ripping heads off and shltting down necks... I'm not saying he was prime, but he was looking pretty good.

    Holyfield was well prepared and rose to the occasion. Tyson was not a 6'5" 240 Lber. with an 80" reach. He wasn't able to lean on Holyfield and wear him out. Holyfield was able to fight in spurts against Tyson and get the occasional rest that he needed at this point in his career. Holyfield was the taller man with the longer reach. He also had the strength, durability, and enough power to deal with Tyson when things got rough... he always had this.

    Styles make fights and their styles would bring a similar fight even if it would have taken place in 1990, 1991, 1992, or any other year.

    Holyfield by late round KO.
     
  11. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    1985, really? Who had Tyson beat in '85 that would have prepared him for a prime Holyfield? You *****s is crazy!
     
  12. Mac mand

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    Still standing at the end of the fight ?
    As in after he got up after being knocked out ?
     
  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    As in the ref stopped the fight with Tyson still on his feet.
     
  14. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As in Tyson not knowing which planet he was on.... :rofl
     
  15. clark

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    Yeah, it's ridiculous. Let the fight go and Tyson is going down and out.