Klitschko has only defended the HW title TWICE....

Most defeats throughout history are unavenged because most defeats are repeated in a rematch.

No you claimed he was hw champ when no mark Sanders beat him. You claim that just to inflate his standing. Lewis was the only champ during his era sk you can stick your wbogus reign up your ****.

 

you appear to be replying to someone else again, so I am going to leave this convo and let youhave it out with the intended person instead of me.

 

Run back to planet klit****

 

Wlad ran from Sanders. Vittles ran from Byrd. Now cry me a river!

 

I disagree. Wlad may have lost all confidence, Sander may have gotten the confidence to finally live up to his potential. The scenarios are wide open. And maybe im mistaken, but didnt Vits want Wlad to retire after his loss to Sanders or Brewster?

 

Wlad wanted the rematch but Sanders didn't owe him one. The rematch clause was only enforceable if Sanders defended the WBO title against Brewster and held on to it, and there was no incentive for him to do that. Why would a 37 year old who finally hit the big time want to mess around with a than less prestigious title and fight Wlad again?

The real interesting story here are the guys Sanders spent the year calling out and attempting to sign fights with before Vitali finally stepped up. Sanders was very close to deals with Roy Jones Jr and David Tua when they backed out, and his calls for a Rahman rematch and Lennox Lewis fail on deaf ears. He claims Lewis admitted to him he didn't want the fight.

I disagree with the Liston/Patterson scenario. I see your point about Wlad going on to lose to Brewster. But I think Sanders was a guy he should have been able to handle if properly prepared. Allegedly he knew nothing about the guy going into the fight but after the loss, spent the year, studying him and preparing for the rematch he believed was coming. While Sanders let himself go during his year of inactivity, gaining all that weight back. I'm not sure he could stand up to the punishment Brewster did to gut out a win like that. It would have been a very interesting fight, could see going either way.

 

Wlad did lose all his confidence. He got knocked out again despite throwing the kitchen sink at Brewster. Vitali almost begged him to retire. They had a huge talk anyways the content of which I don't think was made public but I could be wrong.

Sanders had already destroyed Wlad, beating someone you destroyed doesn't instill confidence. To gain confidence he would have had to have beaten Vitali but he failed. Same way he failed against Hasim.

It isn't like the Sanders fight was a one off, Wlad got knocked out again soon after, he almost got stopped again to TOS. He was a joke and a laughing stock. A rematch against Sanders just changes the person who knocks him out.

 

And Patterson spent time studying Liston, believing in his superior speed and IQ. He felt if he stayed at range he would win.

Wlad wasn't ready for a rematch at all as he showed with his struggles in following matches.

Until he survived his war with Peter he was always going to lose to Sanders. After Wlad has found his rhythm Sanders was long gone.

The first match was quite clear, Sanders was superior and a further victory wasn't necessary. Wlad might have wanted to face his adversary but Sanders had no reason to go over dead ground and Wlad wasn't the fighter he would become.

 

Liston also didn't stay out of the gym for the better part of a year and get fat. I think the Wlad of the Brewster fight against the Sanders of the Vitali fight has more intrigue than you are giving credit for. I think there are few fighters that could weather the storm Brewster did, especially a less than fit Sanders, but I can see your point.

I agree with the last paragraph, and that's the real reason a second fight didn't come off. Sanders didn't owe him a rematch nor was obligated to give him one.

 

Why are you still desperately hanging on after irrefutable evidence to the contrary was put before you.

Are you calling Sanders and Wlads own team liars?

 

Aye, these kinds of symptoms are common among more and more of his victims everyday.

I'm not condoning what Mr. Klitschko does, and I've got no kind words for the man. What he's done to innocent fans like you is criminal.

Just look at it - you've been forced into living in an alternate reality where Mr. Sanders ended his championship career because the reality of the last 10 years and what he's been doing is too much to take. No boxer should have that kind of reach.

I draw no happiness from this, particularly as the damage grows in both volume and severity with every additional win. At this rate, we will have to create a support/recovery forum to allow damaged fans to heal into what they once were, and could be again.

 

My issue is as soon as Wlad opens up, Sanders would time him again with a shot Wlad couldn't avoid.

Wlad was too reckless then, punching until he couldn't punch no more or until he left a gap and was punched back. Incredible really as he was already an Olympic champ and a hw titlist but he was so naive compared to his later self.

 

Read an interview where Steward was shocked at how unusual his training habits were. Good focus on technique and conditioning but supposedly no sparring which would explain why he had such bad timing and pacing. Steward said that was one of the first things he immediately corrected.

I think Vitali just had more natural instincts and could get by training like that.

 

To me this seems like naiv thinking.

Wlad is a remarkable fighter, and he was so even before Manny Steward got his hands on him. Saying a focused, motivated and well prepared Wlad is doomed to get sparked by Sanders, doesn't sound convincing. Sanders was a talented, decent fighter, but not more.

We don't know how a rematch would have turned out. I don't rule out that Sanders would have steamrolled Wlad again, but there are too many X-factors involved.

I agree about this. I guess he was used to opponents crumbling under the pressure, which given his speed and power was natural.

 

The more this progresses, the more I fear the damage could become permanent.

It's gone beyond venting in threads where the tyrant is the topic. He's now mentioning Mr. Klitschko in threads that have nothing to do with him, too.

It's one of the sadder crimes I've witnessed, what Mr. Klitschko has reduced him, and a growing number of other fans, to.