Chagaev to defend against Pianeta AND Oquendo BEFORE mandatory against Browne

Well, my guess would be the facts of the case are salient.

They either did or didn't have a rematch clause in the contract.

 

Browne will at least make Chagaev fight, Oquendo would do just as he did in the first.. Look to spoil and in the process stink the house up again. Browne/Chagaev is just simply a much better fight at this point. Heck, I don't think Oquendo and Chagaev would have been ever able to put on a good fight... Not even at their respective peaks

 

Agreed. It would've always stunk.

Browne vs. Chagaev won't be terrific, but considerably better anyway.

 

Unless they are planning on holding the Chagaev-Browne fight in New York (and they aren't), I have no idea how that matters.

A judge in New York has no jurisdiction over a company in Panama or athletes in Uzbekistan and Australia.

Hell, the U.S. government (not a lower court district judge) tried to arrest Edward Snowden, and he fled to Moscow. Russia doesn't follow U.S. law.

And rematch clauses are inserted in fights all the time and don't take place. Tyson and Lewis actually signed for two fights, not one, and the second fight never took place. Lennox Lewis even went to court to get judge to prevent Tyson from fighting anyone else but him before their rematch, and Tyson went ahead and fought in the U.S. anyway. He didn't want to fight Lewis and they couldn't make him.

How would a U.S. judge block Chagaev from fighting anyone or block the WBA from recognizing him?

Fans around the globe don't want the WBA to recognize Chagaev as any kind of champ, and there's nothing anyone could do.

And on top of everything else, it's a meaningless fight, for a meaningless belt, taking place between two guys on the other side of the world ... and Oquendo straight up lost the last fight.

WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO UNVEIL THE PBC TITLE?

I'm so done with the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO and their regular, super and interim belts and their ****py ratings that gives guys like Fres Oquendo - who shouldn't even be in a title discussion -- and his promoter the opportunity to block a fight that could actually be decent.

 

So you're saying contractual agreements don't matter? :huh

 

If they can't be enforced they don't.

How is that district judge going to stop the fight? What can he do?

Is he going to send a couple of cops from Southern New York to Moscow to arrest the promoter and the President of the WBA? Is he going to demand that Chagaev's promoter pay Fres Oquendo? Is he going to stop Chagaev from fighting in New York - where he fought once a dozen years ago and never came back?

It's a joke.

Hell, Wlad Klitschko - the real champ - hasn't even fought here in nearly a decade. And after the Jennings fight, he may never fight here again.

If Chagaev gets a judge in Moscow to approve the Browne defense, what's the district judge in New York do? But I don't think he even needs to bother.

The judge can't demand the law be enforced, so his decision doesn't really matter. Chagaev is going to keep fighting in Russia. If Browne wins, he can make all his defenses in Australia.

They don't need New York.

And why did Fres Oquendo's promoter ask a district judge in New York to rule on this? Nobody involved lives in New York. Oquendo and Hitz live in Illinois. Is the judge Bobby Hitz's relative or something? Who else would care?

 

:blood

...but, it could have been a court in Zimbabwe...or the North Pole.

"Contract stated X" is "contract stated x"...pretty cut & dry.

 

If it was cut and dry, the WBA office in Panama wouldn't have called for Chagaev-Browne to begin negotiations, with a purse bid looming.

And Lennox Lewis would've knocked out Mike Tyson twice.

And the Russians would've turned over Edward Snowden when he arrived in Moscow.

Nothing is cut and dry if it can't be enforced.

 

delete

 

What a joke. Boxing needs to get organized into a transparent league.

Getting the state involved makes the sport look like a criminal enterprise in need of regulation.

Ultimately, it's on us (the fans). We gotta get more organized and demand fairer treatment for these athletes.

 

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/chagaev-camp-no-oquendo-rematch-287042

Chagaev Camp: No Oquendo rematch

Last week, the team of Fres Oquendo, Chagaev’s last opponent, issued a press release announcing that Oquendo had successfully sued a for a rematch against Chagaev in a New York court.

“I don’t know how Oquendo can sue me in New York and how a US court can even rule on that,” said Chagaev promoter Timur Dugazaev. “As everybody knows the fight between Chagaev and Oquendo took place in Grozny. According to the bout agreement the jurisdiction regarding this fight is in Moscow. In addition to that Oquendo received the full agreed purse of $225,000 although he tested positive for banned substances after the fight. Actually, I just sued him in Moscow for returning the purse as stated in the contract. There will be no rematch between Chagaev and Oquendo – unless Oquendo earns his spot as mandatory challenger fair and square in the ring. He had his chance and he lost even though he used unfair tactics. Now he still tries to blackmail me. People like this have no place in boxing and should be banned.”

 

The only thing Oquendo tested positive for was donuts ... but it could have been something in the sprinkles.

 

Oquendo's mom wouldn't even watch that rematch. Rematch clause or no lets just move on to the next "deserving" challenger