Why doesn't Lennox have universal approval ?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, Holmes even tested that theory by fighting McCall in 1995. :lol:

    Alas, it turned out McCall was utter sh!t.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, McCall wasn't "utter ****", that's nonsense. Good fighter.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Okay, to be fair, McCall was built like a tank, was strong and could absorb a punch.

    But he was a plodder with minimal skill and was prone to frustration.
    One of the worst alphabet champs ever at HW, only slightly better than Seldon.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think his combination of power and punch resistance makes him a bit better than that but ok.

    An overachiever, certainly.
     
  5. sauhund II

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    McCracken is known for drug abuse , way above average chin and waxing Lewis with one punch with his eyes closed.....in the grand scheme of things he is /was a nobody in the Heavyweight scene manipulated by Don King who held on tight to the WBC.....without King McCall would be no where except Tysons sparing camp.
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

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    At the end of the day Lewis was down twice and stopped twice. Tyson was down many more times and stopped many more times. End of debate.
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    He most certainly did, which is why he has a net worth today of $140 million. I would hazard a guess that no 5 Don King Heavyweights former, or still active, are worth that much between them.
     
  8. Foxy 01

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    You should write books, preferably comedy, as you seem to have a penchant for it.

    List all these Heavyweights in your imagination that grabbed their opportunities at the age of 18, and went on to be worth $140 million 12 years AFTER they retired as Lewis has done.

    As far this laughable garbage about Tyson being shot at 24, BULLSH IT.

    He was EXPOSED at 23 by a Douglas who for once in his life decided to take a fight seriously, notice his fat gut and man ****s in his very next fight v Holyfield.

    Of course where all you Lewis haters, and Tyson fan boys, are exposed with this nonsense is the fact that you would have all been creaming yourselves when he was beating the **** out of Tillman, Stewart, and Rudduck aged 24, and 25 respectively, in much the same way you will have been drooling watching him beat up Spinks, Williams, and Bruno, before Douglas totally humiliated the fool.

    It is only now after the fact that you claim the signs were there for all to see that Tyson was deteriorating as early as 89, because that is what delusional fan boys do. They simply can't accept that they were stupid enough to be taken in by a hype job.

    As for Lewis / Tyson, LL would have been ready for Tyson in 92 after he stopped Rudduck in a round and a bit, but it can hardly be his fault that the ****** scumbag was banged up for 3 years now can it?

    He did all he could do, which was wait until Tyson got out, fight his way into contention, then challenge him. Unfortunately for him Tyson preferred to both pay step aside money, and dump a belt rather than face Lewis.

    These are facts regarding Lewis / Tyson, not opinions.

    As for your pathetic, and moronic opinion about Lewis using PED's. Do tell us why a guy 6' 5" with an 84 reach who had only been taken the distance 3 times in 25 fights prior to joining Steward would feel the need to use PED's when he subsequently had 19 fights only to have to go the distance 5 times?

    Doesn't seem much of a success rate to me, unless of course you are implying he was somehow stupid.

    Given the choice of either him being stupid, or you for making such claims, I know where my money would go.
     
  9. Seamus

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    How often to two prime, elite fighters ever meet? One is almost always more over the hill than the other. As we speak half the world is waxing a frenzy over a past-it, undefeated fighter who is about to take on an almost shot search and destroy type. Fight of the century, I am told.

    Earnie Shavers KO'd exactly nobody in the elite end of the heavyweight division but many if not most on here would still argue him as being the hardest puncher the division ever saw.

    Power is often overrated. But if you are that astute regarding my posts, you will also note my contention that a punch and a chin go very, very far in the heavyweight division.

    Again, tell me about how Morrison, Tua, Ruddock, Grant, Briggs and Bruno are not powerpunchers.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Shavers knocked out Ellis in 1 round, he knocked out Norton in 1 round - both were ranked at least, Norton was ranked very highly.
    Shavers also knocked down Holmes (twice perhaps, I believe, the second time being missed by the referee), and rocked Ali quite severely.
    That's a lot more than Morrison and Briggs did.

    Okay, that large explains why chinny Morrison doesn't make the grade.

    I'm not saying they didn't hit very hard.
    But I think the fact that you're focussing in on their brute power to boost Lewis's "quality of opposition" suggests you know they were a fairly mediocre bunch in terms of actual ability.
     
  11. Foxy 01

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    To be fair I'd say that dear old Frank was very heavy handed but his " power " only played a part against lesser opponents, or guys past their best, who simply couldn't get out of the way of it. He was in fact dreadfully slow with his punches, which might explain how he lost 4 out of 5 world title fights.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    I don't like or agree with this new claim that Lewis fought more dangerous punchers than any heavyweight Champion in history. It seems like an extreme overreaction to the "glass chin" criticism. Like countering a baseball bat with an atomic bomb on the wrong city.
     
  13. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Shrilling "laughable garbage", "comedy", "Tyson fanboys", "nonsense", "creaming", "****", "drooling", "humiliated", "fool", "delusional", "stupid", "hype", "scumbag", "pathetic", "moronic" along with here-irrelevant data is "FACTS, NOT OPINIONS", you say?

    Stay stupid and keep your Lewis.
     
  14. Foxy 01

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    Well here are some of the KO% stats in world title fights Lewis had.

    V.K 87.23
    Tyson 75.86
    Rahman 66.13
    Tua 72.88
    Briggs 77.27
    Morrison 80.77
    Bruno 84.44
    Tucker 72.31

    With the exception of Tyson these guys were all 230 pounders or more, so I'd say that's not too shabby a list.

    Lewis himself by the way is 72.73
     
  15. Mendoza

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    McGrain, if not for the Lewis fallign into the ref's chest he could have fallen.

    In addition Lewis did not beat the count vs Rhaman.

    Unless a fighter is tragically killed in the ring, they all get up after a certain amount of time passes.