Sonny Liston vs. Vitali Klitschko

lol

Every round was 3 rounds:rofl

Then he lost the 4th 10-8 after getting floored. Then after struggling thu the 5th when clearly gassed , he quit.

He promised TOS a rematch in the ring. IBF rightfully ranked him above Wlad because of the quit job.

Wlad then sued the IBF to get out of the rematch.

I can't have you putting blame on Lewis for not excepting rematch when you get behind this terrible behaviour.

Tell me why did Wlad rematch Carlos Monroe ? Wlads excuse was he wanted revenge for a head butt that ended the first fight.
Why didn't he do the same with Willaimson.

You could not even make this shyt up.

 

It was an of balance knock down, and Wlad won the rest of that round. . Don't act like Williamson was in the lead. You have not clue. He was down 4-1, behind three points on two cards.

Jerry Roth 49-46 | judge: Doug Tucker 47-48 | judge: Chuck Giampa 49-46

The fight took place in 2004 A year before Williamson was ko'd in 1 by Mesi. By 2005 Williams lost to Byrd in the worst title match I ever saw. Then in 2007 Meehan stopped him.

Simply put there were better out there to fight ( Peter 2005 and Byrd 2006 ) and Williamson was never close to being highly ranked.

 

Well I had Lewis winning rounds 6,7,8,9,10,11 & 12 during the fight between himself and Vitali, if that's the type of warped logic you wish to promote.

 

McGrain,

You took a scissor to half of my points ( Too much truth on my side..no come backs for you ) and I've seen enough of Ali to know that Vitali would have no F'n problem out boxing the likes of Doug Jones or Jimmy Young, and would have taken Norton out. If you disagree with these points, maybe I should stop replying.

You can not produce the reverse proof that Ali and Holmes, two of the best boxers of all time in the division would out box Vitali either, which is why I point to the score cards and performances. How come Vitali never had issues while these two did?

Holmes who I think was an even better boxer than Ali could not out box Spinks. But if he had Vitlai's height, power, and activity level...I'm pretty sure he would have.

You don't get it when it comes to modern big men who can box.

 

Jimmy Young beats Vitali in my book.

 

The problem here is that you are arbitrarily choosing these groups of fighters, to get these results.

The criticism leveled at Vitally is based on a measure that we have no control over, i.e. the ranking of his opponents when he fought them.

 

So using Mendozy's perverted logic. Duran MUST be a better fighter than Hagler because after 13 rounds he was winning on 2 cards, and even on the 3rd. After all 13 rounds is far more exerting than 2.

 

Does the underlined mean that heavyweights such as pre champion Louis ,Dempsey, Marciano, Langford, Fitz, Charles, Patterson, Schmeling, etc would be cannon fodder for the ranked heavies today? Vitali had no less notice to fight Lewis than Lewis did to fight him, both were in training to fight different opponents and Vitali went to camp first.

Vitali has a top chin but definitely is no ATG puncher, his power does not compare to his brothers. Vitali pounded on an old Briggs all night flush punches to the chin, and could not even floor him. He couldnt dent Chisora whom Haye, a good but not great puncher ko'd.

He is a good puncher but no ATG

 

Where is your head arguing with him? You are duplicating what I did.

 

Give it time.
If you were challenged to fight Mendoza during his trip to the Uk you would say no?
I am finishing off a bottle of Cotes du Rhone Villages with the other half.
Should a post stating Mendoza had died appear , I would open
something more substantial.
You are constructing concise excellent arguments that are a pleasure to read and presenting points that I would be proud to have made . Problem is you are presenting them to a closed mind.


How can that be the action of a sane man?