The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Not many top fighters in their 30's fight more than twice a year.

 

those bullets that bounce off human bodies that's crazy and he is on it!

 

Still wondering...

 

You're doing more than wondering. You're making insinuations that something nefarious is going on because a guy fights twice a year. Of course, that's been the standard practice in boxing for older top fighters for years now. If you're a PPV fighter, you can't fight more than 3 times a year anyway.

 

It's all fabrication and speculation.

There is no proof.

 

Yes I am making an accusation. You are correct. I'm also stating my opinion that most of these guys are on PEDs. And I am pointing out that whether or not they undergo testing during their training camps they have essentially an 8 month window to do pretty much whatever they want. When there is millions of dollars on the line whether or not there is verifiable facts that is something that should be taken into consideration. Take it or leave it.

 

This started because of a couple of reasons.

1) No fighter in history up until now, has ever moved 8 weight classes, and been able to retain physical attributes speed, power, and work rate at the same level at the higher weight as they did at the lower rates.
Moving up in weight fighter will lose some of the potency of these attributes when moving up in weight.
Pac on the other hand not only retain all of these attributes while moving up, but also was able to exceed in all areas.

2) After moving from super feather weight to light weight, Pac appeared to finally top out on his speed, power and endurance in fight with David Diaz, Only to reappear as an even stronger faster, and more powerful fighter at 147 against Oscar , hatton , Cotto and Clotty. No one was really surprised that he won these fight but how he won and the fashion in which he did it.
Even if Pac did or did not take peds it still raised eyebrows that he had done something that had never been done in the sport of boxing . Floyd Sr just said out loud what allot of the boxing public was whispering or saying indirectly.

 

1. Didnt manny turn pro at like the age of 16? So it stands to reason he is going to get bigger stronger and heavier as he ages. This reasoning for steroid use is a pretty big reach. I read in an article then actually researched it myself that between 2002 and 2012 manny and floyd both gained just about the same amount of weight.

2. Against david Diaz manny weighed in at 134 but for the fight rehydrated to 147 which tells me he was a bit weight drained so fighting closer his natural weight his performance would improve. again your reasoning really doesnt hold weight. its more just opinion and assumption but no real proof of any kind. Also i dont get how floyd fans talk about steroids and how manny came to ww walking through people but then they say he hasnt ko`d anyone in like 5 years. which is it? is he walking through people or is he not koing anyone?

they say his kos disappeared after the mayweathers started the peds accusations but that makes no sense. Clottey went the distance didnt go down. The fight was stopped and oscar not ko`d. Oscar was a shot fighter by then. heck he was shot vs floyd. He ko`d hatton who wasnt a ww. the ref stopped the cotto fight a cotto who btw had a questionable chin at ww to begin with and according to floyd fans was weight drained for that fight.
Since those fights Manny has fought guys who were mostly bigger or have a history of not being stopped. in fact mannys opponents since have over 250 fights combined with only about 5 times being ko`d. so its just not manny who couldnt ko these fighters. Anyone else have a better explanation? something a little more concrete?

So far ive read nothing but baseless arguements that are nothing more than assumptions on heresay. Has Manny failed any tests like many other fighters have? Has someone that worked with him come out and said yes he took peds? If manny took peds he needs a supplier. At this level hes not going to get his supply on a street corner hes going to get the best money can buy and those people are going to keep records. When all this manny on peds stuff was first said by the Mayweathers and in the years where one would assume Manny were on the stuff you had the balco scandal and a few other suppliers whos records had a **** load of names on them and manny showed up in none of that stuff.

Seems so far the reason seems to be "Floyd jr. and Sr. said he took peds and manny didnt agree to floyds tests and he drunk a milk shake so it must be true"

 

Youre a floyd fan arent you? I can tell because when you mention 2009 you gloss over it quickly and are pretty vague about it. Lets be real. In 09 manny agreed to all the random urine testing but didnt want needle testing because he doesnt like needles. People said "well if he doesnt like needles why does he have tattoos?" which is so dumb i wont even respond to that. Just to make a point i am terrified of needles:scaredas: But i have both of my armes sleeved.

Manny didnt want to be blood tested on the day of the fight because he said he feels week after giving blood. I personally think this is a bs excuse but ill give him the benefit of the doubt only because my exgf had to take a blood test and they didnt take much blood but she felt week for several days. I told her she was full of it but till this day she swears she didnt feel right.

You dont need blood to find ped use. the only thing at the time that could not be detected would be hgh which if he took a blood test would not show. Steroid use can show up in urine,saliva and especially hair months after use. also another issue that was a problem was the cut off date for testing. floyd wanted 21 days manny wanted 30. manny agreed to 21 but floyd then changed it to 14. Manny refused they went back and forth but manny caved and agreed to 14. floyd responded by demanding 7 day cut off. look it up.

 

They. Are. All. On. P. E. D's.



Pacquiao fans all sensitive. They used to passionately hate any testing other than commission scheduled urine testing and felt any other testing was a violation of privacy and offensive. They used to say that they wished their opponents were on PED's because PED's were horrible for boxers. All this was made further awkward since they've spent the last two years sticking their feet in their mouths by blindly accusing Juan Manuel Marquez. Hypocrites though. Can't live without 'em.

 

"He would give Manny energy shakes everyday but he'd never tell me what was in them. Once I asked him, 'Alex what's in your drinks?' and he wouldn't tell me. He was a bit shady." Freddie Roach on Alex Ariza.

 

In this day and age, I'm not sure how anyone can come to a different conclusion. Even a layman can pass an nsac test with short enough ester and timing and a little know how.

 

We may never know if Pacquiao was on PEDs. We may never know if Floyd is. I like to believe both have always been clean but Pacman got stronger in divisions youd think hed look weaker in and well Floyd is American and Americans are as bad as the Ruski,s and Chinese for drug cheating.

 

Actually floyd is blood doping though he admitted that!

 

I think a couple of posts have said it here already :

IN THIS DAY AND AGE, at least 95% of ELITE PROFESSIONALS ARE ON P.E.D.s ... or to quote Justine Fortune again :

"If you're in the top ten then you are either on steriods, thinking of being on steroids, or have done them in the past. And anyone who says anything different is a ****ing liar..."

It's not just boxing.
It's the whole of modern pro sports.
Please people, stop believing in the fairytales about "clean" athletes becoming winners, champions or breaking world records !