RING MAGAZINE special on top middles from ww2 to present

His Sweetness and The Bronx Bull in a list of top Middleweights from 1960 onwards?!

 

GGG being overhyped before he's really beat anyone of real quality.I supose the ring has to keep the young readers happy, mind you, with a token active fighter inclusion.

Did Murray or Proksa make it?

 

Jake LaMotta was in his prime from 1942-45 and retired in 1953, so how does he get in this thread from 1960 onwards.
Another thing = we truly do not know the place GGG has in modern MW history because through no fault of his own he hasn't met anyone of consequence in todays middleweights, BUT GGG might very well have beaten any MW since the 1960s for darn sure...This man has never been floored in over 300 amateur bouts and 28 or so pro bouts and his ability to cut the ring off and seek and utterly destroy his opponents body and head compares easily with any MW of the past 50 years or so. GGG is a thinking man's
destroyer though lacking the speed of a Roy Jones or SRR, his punching power and sheer ruggedness knows no bounds...
I love the oldtimers because they fought so often the largest pool of great talent to rise to the top, but I am realistic to sense that every so often a talent
is born that transcends their mediocre competition. In GGG and Kovalev we might have the perfect examples...

 

Where did Greb rank?

 

The thread was from 1960 to the present day...
Truly when Greb was at his peak, with proper rest to heal injuries past, I have him over any MW in history as you couldn't out punch or out flurry him and you couldn't ko him as he was never stopped in about 285 of his last bouts. So how do you beat him under 160 pounds ? Answer, YOU CAN'T...
Speaking of Greb, the greatest compliment I read of Harry Greb was in an answer to a question in Ring Magazine of the 1940s a question was posed to Nat Fleischer Editor of the ring by a reader asking " in what round do you think Sam Langford would catch up to Harry Greb and ko Greb?... Fleischer ,a great admirer of Sam Langford, answered" I don't think Sam Langford could ever catch up to Harry Greb to ko him "...Heady words indeed...

 

Any idea what issue that was?

 

Yes, I was poking fun because the OP then related that GGG ranks just behind LaMotta and further behind Ray Robinson, neither of whom fought even to the middle of the 1950s.

 

Actually Robinson was world champion twice in the late 1950s, and lost the title to Paul Pender in 1960, had his last world title fight in 1961, and carried on fighting until 1965.

 

Golovkin hype has become a little bit silly by now.

 

jp, I have no way of answering your question as most of my old ring magazines, along with everything I owned was completely destroyed by Hurricane Sandy that was under 5 feet or so from the floor. I live 20 feet from the bay of water and Sandy did a number on me. at least I got out of my place in time. But in the old Ring Mags of the 1930s and 1940s Nat Fleischer had an "answer box" where readers would ask a question and he would give his considerable opinion. His father-in-law AD Phillips who saw John L Sullivan at his best also wrote in the old Ring Mags...

 

Question to all the trainers who regard GGG so lightly. Perchance what would all the six MWs who were placed above GGG with such certainty have done with all the 27 or so opponents that Golovkin destroyed with ease ? KILL EM ?
Not one of those guys hit any harder than GGG to the body or head, and his amateur record of over 300 bouts without visiting the canvas is astounding. SRR is the greates all around fighter I ever did see ringside as a WW, but
Robinson was at his peak as a WW. Monzon was a tall robot like puncher who I believe Hagler would have whipped. Roy Jones as a MW was a marvel of handspeed and power no doubt, but as later events proved he did not have a robust chin for sure as later events proved. LaMotta had the greatest chin of them all, but even at his best was somewhat inconsistent losing to Dauthuille, and Robert Villemain,and the WW Fritzie Zivic. So old time trainers and doubters of GGG why wouldn't GGG have a good shot against any
of the 1940s MWs and after?? Just asking...

 

Lora, I want to thank you for the "ring" to keep the "YOUNG"readers HAPPY" including myself incuding a "token" active fighter like GGG. Gratia, it's good to feel young again...atsch