Vitali Klitschko vs. D. Jones, J Young and M Spinks

vits has shown he can beat contenders so doug probably he deicsions, but its touch and go.

againsty hof /atg he is wholly at sea - young and spinks handle him well.

 

Yeah, on further consideration, Spinks might be able to rip his face off.

 

He decisions them all then, killjoy.

 

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I pick him over all three,

but

"Vitali has a much easier time"

I am not so certain. He certainly looked slow and cumbersome against Byrd, the one elusive small man he fought. He missed all night. Big guys are certainly hard to outbox, but one weakness which comes with the size is that punches are long and generally slow, and a quick and skilled smaller fighter can get out of the way. Some of his contemporaries felt Greb had more trouble with the men his own size because of their relative quickness than he did with the big fellows he met and outspeeded. Vitali ate up the big, slow guys with little mobility or head movement. I wonder how he would do with a dancer.

Just curiously, which fighter did Vitali fight who had the best side to side movement? I would like to watch that fight.

 

People seem to be considering a 40 year old Vitali in this equation. Are we to consider the oft injured, back back, bad shoulder geriatric armpuncher who faced Chisora or the relatively unscathed version who pummeled Sanders, Williams and Johnson?

All things being equal he barely loses a round among all three… Spinks being a guy who probably steal some until he gets walked down.

 

We have to deal with the evidence that we have from the real physical universe.

He fought two fighters who had a processional fight at light heavyweight, and he lost to one of them.

His resume against top five ranked contenders is very thin.

If you picked him over all three, it would be based on a number of assumptions, and it would not be a pick that you could hang any weight on.

 

Mendoza

"Yes he was well behind on the cards and it would have been a near shutout if Vitali was healthy."

"he" being Byrd

One problem is I don't agree at all. I have watched this fight several times and I just don't see this one-sided shutout. I scored it 5-4 for Vitali after nine. On my card Byrd had a good shot at winning the fight on points.

I understand the judges had Vitali winning easily. That just doesn't make sense to me.

Am I wrong or biased? I don't think so, because the punch stat figures back me up---

TOTAL PUNCHES

punches landed

Vitali-----132
Byrd-----124

punches thrown

Vitali-----502
Byrd-----284

percentage landed

Vitali-----26%
Byrd-----44%

POWER PUNCHES

punches landed

Vitali-----115
Byrd-----82

punches thrown

Vitali-----326
Byrd-----163

Percentage landed

Vitali-----35%
Byrd-----50%


So Vitali was throwing punches but missing most of them. Byrd fought far more efficiently. Now I did have Vitali ahead by a round, but no way would I see Byrd losing if he landed more effectively in the last three rounds, as he did in the ninth.

Landing 8 more punches just isn't dominating the fight for me.

If Vitali missed because Byrd made a track meet of it, I would view it differently, but Byrd was right there to be hit, actually against the ropes quite a bit, and Vitali simply wasn't able to do much of a job.


"if Vitali was healthy"

I can only judge a fight by what I can see happen, not by guesswork. I judge Vitali on how I saw him doing.

 

I think that score would be very much a minority opinion.

Would you mind indicating which rounds you scored for Byrd ?

They don't really, and even if they did, there's more to scoring than punch stats.

Nevertheless, I would be interested in knowing which rounds you thought Byrd took.

 

Chris Byrd beat vitali klitschko.Spinks was better than the featherfisted Byrd.
Young was a little bit better than Byrd.
Byrd was better than Jones.