Could Roy Jones have beaten Valuev?

Underrated win? NO LOL...... It's VASTLY overrated by fanboys like you and Loudon.

If what Roy did was so special then why was Tony able to move up in weight and do what Roy did just as easily? Toney also dominated the fraud with ease. Ruiz was just not a great fighter, which is why Jones and Toney were able to come up in weight, and not only beat but DOMINATE him.

Ruiz was ****... Which is why he needed to bend the rules, and get gift decisions to win big fights. Everyone can see that but you Jones fanatics.

 

It doesn't matter if Tarver has had knockouts at higher weights.

We are looking at your logic here.

You are basically saying that Valuev would have beaten Roy, because Tarver and Johnson did at 175, and Valuev was much bigger than they were. That is the logic that you are using.

So if we apply your logic, then why didn't Ruiz knock Roy out? Tarver and Johnson knocked Roy out, whilst weighing in at 175 for fights at LHW. So forget about him and Johnson at higher weights. Do you think that the LHW versions of Tarver and Johnson hit harder than Ruiz at HW? Ruiz's power at HW, against other HW's, is also irrelevant here. Ruiz obviously hit harder than Tarver and Johnson did at LHW. Ruiz couldn't knock Roy out, because he couldn't find him, like they could.

Do you understand?

Your logic is ignorant.

Glen Johnson knocking out Roy, does not tell us that Valuev would have done.

 

It doesn't really matter does it? If Roy had fought past it Holyfield and danced around him for a decision you would be on here slamming Roy for cherry picking old Holyfield, and I honestly do believe had Roy not beat Ruiz, there would be posters saying Ruiz would maul him and win.

Tarver likes his pitty patter punches, but once he loads up it is a hard shot. I would say Ruiz still hits harder than the versions of Tarver that Jones fought.. If Ruiz had had Jones on the ropes unloading like Tarver had in the first fight, Roy would have undoubtedly been knocked out.

never said he did, Only that his power was big for the much smaller Jones. Don't you also ever stop and think about that? If Jones' chin was that bad, Ruiz should have knocked him out in round 1 when he landed a good right.

I don't think Glen Johnson hit as hard as Ruiz, I guess it is my opinion... If you want to stand by yours that is fine.

Never said he did.

Roy fought good enough opposition and in enough weights, that his chin would have been exposed earlier if it was as bad as it was in the Johnson fight.

For one show me where I claim how good Roy's chin was? I just claimed It was not as bad as you claimed..

For two, They were sparring partners, that was in Roy's 4th weight class, he was a southpaw, Roy openly admitted to not liking southpaws, Roy was for some reason looking straight down and never saw the punch... It's boxing it happens.

I think it was after the Tarver KO when his chin went way down.

 

That's not what I'm saying at all actually. I'm saying that you're vastly overestimating Roys skill and ability, especially at HW and that he wasn't the unbeatable demigod you make him out to be. His win over Ruiz wasn't great, and he never had a great chin whether you want to admit it or not. Valuev was skilled enough to the point where his massive size/power advantage would cause Jones serious trouble.

 

"Valuev" and "skilled" should never be used in the same sentence.

 

I don't think Loudon or myself vastly overrates it.. I call it how I see it..

I also don't understand how a fan of the sport can watch that fight an not be impressed with Roy.

James Toney was a special fighter, that actually became a true HW later on in his career.. His MW, CW and HW resumes trounce Jones' at those weights. But what was different was the fashion in which the fights were won, Jones did it first, and it was more spectacular.

I am not saying Ruiz was a great fighter, but using Jones and Toney being able to move up and beat him is a harsh measuring stick.

Like I said above, if you can't appreciate the much smaller Jones putting on that performance, I guess we just don't see eye to eye.

 

That's not what you're saying?

I said that Roy would have beaten Valuev.

You then laughed at that, and then posted his knockout loss to Glen Johnson, as evidence that if a LHW could have knocked him out, then Valuev certainly could have done.

But that's poor logic for two reasons:

1. Roy beat Ruiz who could hit harder than Glen at LHW.

2. The version of Roy that fought Glen, wasn't the same version who fought Ruiz. When Roy fought Glen, he'd dropped back from HW, and had just suffered a crushing defeat to Tarver.

You'd be better off giving a comprehensive breakdown of what you think would have happened, instead of using the Johnson defeat as some sort of evidence. The Johnson defeat tells us nothing. We know that if Valuev had landed flush, it would have been all over. But I don't see how that would have been probable. I think it'd have been a straight forward win for Roy. He'd have had a HUGE speed advantage, with a lot to aim at, and I don't think Valuev would have landed anything of note.

 

Lets just post this and talk about how Vitali would have crushed Byrd.

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you see what 5'9 toney did to holyfield? wait till the giant valuev lands on holyfield:good nikolai KO1 evander.
not fair evidence because when you look at this
nikolai could not stop evander
toney stopped evander
toney could not stop rjj
nikolai would not stop rjj???????

 

An evolved triangle theory?:huh

 

Roy Jones Jrs power at HW was average at best, and hitting as high as Nikolai Valuevs head would have decreased it even further. Valuev wouldn't feel much pressure. Jones Jr would also burn a lot of stamina running around Valuev in circles. For how many rounds would he be able to keep up?

Would Roy win?

Yes, it's very likely. But there's a few questionmarks about it.

 

It also depends on if Jones Jr would have fought prime Valuev or the shot version David Haye fought. Prime Valuev was a good fighter, and not anyone Haye would have been eager to fight.

 

Styles make fights.

 

I really felt for Byrd. It was like he was a completely different fighter.

 

I think he'd have targeted the body. But I think it would have been an uneventful fight, with people claiming it was boring, like they did with the Ruiz fight. I don't see how Valuev would have won though. Roy had the speed to clearly outpoint him.