Anyone think The 1940's Heavies Were On A Par With The 1970's?

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  1. Bummy Davis

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    there is validity to this pick, I also picked Walcott over Big G in the past but he could be erratic, Charles was a good inside fighter and that would be key against guys like Liston and Foreman, stamina would also be a major issues for Foreman
     
  2. Bummy Davis

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    a dangerous crew there alone and I suspect serious damage to the the 70's flanks.....I am leaning with the 40's at this point
     
  3. Bummy Davis

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    I favor the 40's now after a 2nd look and I see only Ali as the versatile fighter of the 70's, Foreman of the 70's could not match stamina with the 40's guys....Ali would have his hands full with many and I dont see Norton surviving the punchers. Frazier would have his share of success but could be beaten by many. Quarry is the best of the rest and he struggles with the 40's men, Shavers always has his KO wins but there are better men than Bob Stallings that would beat him in the 40's
     
  4. edward morbius

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    I lot depends on criteria.

    Top five? Top Ten?

    I would lean toward the seventies.

    Top thirty? Top fifty?

    I would lean toward the forties.

    I think the forties had more depth of good heavyweights.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    The 40s had more depth.

    Once you get past the top few guys of the 70s, it reallly thins out. And nevermind that two of the best fighters of the 70s, Ali and Frazier had seen better days and were very vulnerable in that decade.

    Louis, Walcott, Bivins, and Charles..etc. all had their peaks in the 40s.
     
  6. mcvey

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    When you expressly state that posters are free to put their own choices on the,lists and then get accused of "conveniently forgetting names " I think you have a right to get annoyed.

    What you think,well who gives a f*ck?I''ll look at your list because unlike you I'm open to debate if you were ,you'd have posted on my thread but you didn't.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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  8. mcvey

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    I'd like you to explain why you think the following names on your list are relevant to the 1940's, and show me when they were ranked in that decade?

    Schmeling
    Marciano
    Moore
    Valdes
    Henry
    Farr
    Satterfield
    Layne
    Lastarza
    Carnera
    The difference between the names you provided and mine is that all mine were top ten ranked in their appropriate decade.
    You put up 30 names, ten of which aren't relevant imo
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    I agree
     
  10. Balder

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    Yes they were pretty equal,... the 1940's has some greats.. they fought more often so they seem less dominant than the 1970's.

    Greats fighting each other regularly, can play hell on records.
     
  11. mcvey

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    OK ROUND ONE.DINGGG!
    Farr had ONE fight in the 1940's against a Zachary Nichols why is he on your list?
    Carnera had 6 fights coming back after 8 years retirement he had 3 wins 2 of which were over wrestlers and 3 losses, again how is he relevant to the 1940's?
    Galento retired in 1945 he had 5 fights in the 40's, 2 with wrestlers 1 win and 2 losses how is he relevant to the decade? Max Schmeling had 6 fights ,lost 2 and beat 3 nobodies, why is he included?
    Marciano turned pro in 1947 and beat no one of any note in the 40's.
    Lastarza DITTO!
    Satterfield never fought a heavyweight in the 40's as late as 1947 he was weighing 165lbs and at164lbs was stopped in1946 by Lamotta laughable choice.
    Layne didn't turn pro till March 1949 he fought no one of any note in the 40's.

    Ditto Nino Valdes who lost to the best man he fought in that decade the decidedly average Archie McBride.

    Rex Layne turned pro March 1948 had 15 fights with nobodies.

    Clarence Henry didn't turn pro till July1948 , 11 wins over nobodies, stopped by a sliding Bivins in Sept 1949 thrown out for stalling against Oakland Billy Smith in Dec 1949 yeah he was a big factor in the forties heavyweight scene.:patsch
    I could go on but what's the point ?
    Bottom line your list is as ridiculous as you have made yourself.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    I think most people see the seventies as a more talent packed era which I agree with. As for the similarities between these two decades, they were both periods where the best pretty much regularly fought the best, although a few of the murderers row members probably should have gotten some title shots.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    To be fair, I think his LaStarza is just as valid as your Liston, who went 1-0 in 1970 against Wepner, and saw 1971 in as a decomposing corpse.
     
  14. janitor

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    It is closer than you might think.

    While you could find three from the 70s, who were better on aggregate than the best three from the 40s, there might have been more quality heavyweights in the 40s overall.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    Throw Max Baer in there, too He retired in 1941. He wasn't a factor in the decade any more than Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier were in the 1980s.