Was Greb a dirty fighter, or just a rule bender?

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  1. Mendoza

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    Here are three articles / quotes. Was Greb a dirty fighter, or was he just a good rule bender who mixed in fouls with the action in a time where the ref's let them go at it?

    While Greb never lost via DQ, the same can be said with Zivic. Zivic was probably the best " Dirty fighter " in boxing history.

    Saddler in the eyes of some could be dirty, and he was only DQ'd once in 162 fights.

    [url]http://theboxingmagazine.com/boxing%E2%80%99s-dirtiest-fighters/[/url]




     
  2. Unforgiven

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    What's the difference again?
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Its how you define it.

    A rule bender to me is someone who bends the rules in a stalemate clinch to get out of it, or mauls a fighter around the ring with pushes and shoves, but does not intend to injure his man with a foul. Other instances could include excessive clinching to limit the action, wearing the trunk/ cup guard too high, faking an injury to get more time, that type of stuff that can get a warning.

    A dirty fighter uses low blows, laces, elbows, hits on the break, hits the kidney's steps on toes, jumps in clinches, bites, uses head butts, doctor's gloves, etc... To hurt the other fighter. Its part of his offense or defense depending on the circumstance that often results in a loss of a point, or possible DQ if the ref's sees it and enforces the rules.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    OK, Greb was definitely a dirty fighter.
     
  5. kingfisher3

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    seems like a dirty fighter, but that doesn't bother me in general so i have no problem saying it about my favorite fighters (not that greb is one of them, saddler is tho).
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, I like 'em dirty.
     
  7. burt bienstock

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    It is a fallacy to insinuate that Harry Greb was a "dirty" fighter ! Recent disclosures have proven that Harry Greb took a shower before every bout and AFTER every fight, thus proving that he was NOT a "dirty" fighter...Case
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  8. Unforgiven

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    On further consideration, I think he falls into both categories.
    So I suppose we could say he was a dirty bender.
     
  9. burt bienstock

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    Better than a fender bender !
     
  10. Entaowed

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    If'n we care about either sportsmanship or general ethics, we should care about cheaters. Especially when they not only try to win unfairly, but do not mind, let alone like, the illegality of hurting men in the service of victory.

    Even if our sense of right & wrong is on the fritz, we should care for RATING fighters. Since dirty tactics effect how well they do.
    If everyone was willing to use all the same tactics, a guy who is very dirty would not do as well. Whether a little less well or somewhat more.
     
  11. Seamus

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    After the eye injury suffered in the Norfolk fight, well into his career, his style seems to have changed. He become more of an inclose mauler type who used distance less in order to compensate for his lack of depth perception, one might suppose. Or maybe his legs were getting stale after so many fights and he needed to exercise "politics by other means"...
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    Old pros are the dirtiest.
     
  13. klompton2

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    Seamus is right. Greb knew all the tricks but papers in his prime remark often about how clean and sportsmanlike he was. After his vision was effected he lost his depth perception and the result was that he would grab a guy with his left and shower him with rights. This is the most common foul mentioned in relation to Greb, holding and hitting. Im not saying he didnt use other tricks at times but those accusations come primarily from New York where Greb was unpopular and had a feud with writers. But, even then Greb was most commonly accused of holding and hitting. Even late in his career some papers outside of metro New York would make remarks like "having never seen the Pittsburgh battler perform we expected to be met with a fighter who flaunted the rules, this being his reputation. The surprise of the evening was the clean and sportsmanlike contest the Smoky City champion put on for ring bugs." I think its probably been overblown based on a few fights but who knows.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Modern times still has Andrew Golota. One of the dirtiest fighters of all time. Low blows, bites, and head butts.
     
  15. Seamus

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    Holyfield anyone?