If you was Khan's manager would you have accepted the fight against The Special One?

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I did, but that's because the only fight I had watched of Brook was the Jones and Senchenko fight at the time. I've watched a lot more Brook now.
     
  2. Ducklerr

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    I'm not saying he's fought a murderer's row at 147, just that he's been in with enough live bodies to get a sense of what he's all about. And I certainly think Porter is his best win. Everyone looks for different things in a fighter and to my eye, Kell has the goods. If he and Keith ever get in the ring we'll find out :bbb
     
  3. ellerbe

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    Kell is definitely the goods. I've never denied this. But I think Thurman is a different kind of special if you know what I mean :good. I think he beats everyone at WW besides obviously Mayweather/Pac, and Thurman/Khan/Maidana.
     
  4. Super Hans

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    A lot of the guys I argued with last year, such as whichever poster ellerbe used to go by, always brought up the first Carson Jones fight, saying Carson Jones nearly beat Kell Brook. That was nonsense in my opinion: Kell Brook nearly beat Kell Brook.

    He was under trained and wasn't motivated for the fight and dropped a load of weight in the few days leading up to the fight, as he'd spent a lot of time partying.

    Yet still he was cruising until a clash of heads left him with a badly broken nose and swallowing a lot of blood. But one of the things they also ignored is that Kell dug deep and past a gut check to see the final bell where many others would've quit. Most of the posters for some reason believed that under prepared Brook was going to turn up for the biggest fight of his career. :patsch

    I also tried to explain to them that Brook also kicked Jones' butt in a rematch, whereas Porter couldn't clearly pull a way from shot Julio Diaz across two fights.

    Brook learnt a lot about fight preparation in Jones 1, that he needs the hard work to go with the talent.
     
  5. ellerbe

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    Hans, we've already went through this. I don't use alts, but you clearly do, and Inever made a brook/porter pick on here. I did talk **** on thaboxingvoice chat about the fight, and had some fights wtih some Brits, but never on this forum. Why would I lie when I already admitted that I picked Porter to thrash Brook?
    And you're right, I used the Jones fight to ****yze who would win. I was clearly wrong, and Julio Diaz beat Porter the first fight, so that does discredit Brook's win over him a bit.
     
  6. Ducklerr

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    We shall see :good

    I think Thurman sparks Khan (not rocket science) but I still think Khan gives Floyd more trouble than any of the other WW contenders outside Pac. Doesn't matter, Floyd beats Khan anyway.
     
  7. Super Hans

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    No I don't rank Senchenko above him but I do rank Jackiweiz above him. I don't really think there is much between Porter and Carson Jones, and I think for sure Gavin is better than Porter. See some of the posters on here who watch **** loads of boxing such as Drew101, IB, etc, they will all tell you Gavin > Porter. Porter got by Alexander and Paulie because they was tailor made.
     
  8. ellerbe

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    Look skill wise this could be true. Porter is so raw, and he doesnt have much skill, but his chin, grit, toughness, rough house tactics, and power make him the better overall fighter, and much tougher opponent.
     
  9. Super Hans

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    I think Thurman's good, but I'm not sold on his chin. I think one fight he's going to have a 'Mares moment' and lose by stoppage early in a fight he's favoured to win.

    Slow ass Jesus Soto-Karass had him hurt in round 1- which wasn't that worrying, but I think the way he reacted when he was hurt was- dropping his hands rather and wildly swinging rather than trying to weather the storm. I think a better finisher than JSK could've punished him and not let him out of the round without sending him to the canvas.
     
  10. Ducklerr

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    In other news, I'm arguing with yeyo monster on another thread and he's just informed me that he gave 5 rounds to Holyfield in the first Lewis fight (mind-boggling). He gave me his round by round card and I just rewatched the fight. He scored a round where Holy got outlanded 32-8 to Holy (even more mind boggling). Of all the robberies that get a lot of press this one has to be the easiest to score. There's like 2 close-ish rounds, if you squint. And if you give those rounds to Holy you still end up 10-2 Lennox. This site gets richer every day.
     
  11. Ducklerr

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    If Brook can learn from Jones I then Thurman can learn from round 1 of the Soto-Karass fight, no?
     
  12. ellerbe

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    He's on the yeyo. Honestly I thought Lewis won clearly both fights, by quite a margin, but I haven't watched the fight for years so I couldn't tell you the rounds :good. Always thought Lewis was one of the best heavyweights head to head, and always got downplayed. But apparently I hate "brits", so this can't be true, even though if you look atmy post history from months ago, I've stated this several timees.
     
  13. Super Hans

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    Well put it this way, I've followed both careers, not just a couple of fights like you and I think Gavin has a better chance of beating Brook than Porter ever had other than the chance of a robbery.

    Brook is rightfully favoured but to argue that Gavin is not a legit opponent and someone like Sadam Ali would be is ridiculous.
     
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    Perhaps if JSK had punished him....but how many times has Khan been hurt and not learnt so who knows :yep
     
  15. ellerbe

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    I didn't only watch a couple of Porter or Thurman fights. I've watched Thurman longer than you, and probably porter as well. You definitely have watched Gavin and Brook longer than me, but I've seen a fair share of Brook fights, but only a couple of Gavin fights. Sadam Ali has at least beat Abregu which was his step up, Gavin lost his step up against a half decent opponent, Gavin has beat no one, that's why he's a scrub opponent.