What's the ultimate plan with GGG ???

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  1. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    it doesn't even matter if canelo is fighting at catchweights...why ? cause even his resume is way better than ggg's, and that's a huge slap in the face to all ggg die hards. canelo is willing to negotiate and make **** happen, while GGG is just fighting guys we all know he's going to kill, then by tuesday he has a fight already signed vs another guy he's going to till....put that on repeat
     
  2. kirk

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    :lol::lol: :good

    Ill just say one last thing man.

    Him ruling middleweight for the next 5 years, beating the good, bad and ugly that come with ruling a division... will mean a lot more in the long run then moving up and losing to Ward, Froch, Degale, ect, in a division he doesn't even belong to in the first place.
     
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    Canelo is willing to negotiate and make **** happen because hes a huge name that fighters are willing to bend over for and accept his terms bro :lol: That's all.

    Once he has to move up, and he will... Golovkin will be waiting for him ;) And boom, theres a huge fight for Golovkin.

    Again, Canelo actually weighs more then G on 30 day weigh ins. Should be pretty close in size.
     
  4. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    I dont agree with what cotto is doing, but at this point in this specific case i really dont care...why ? cause the division is weak as ****.

    Yes GGG is a middleweight, but he has called out bigger fighters...but has never done anything to make the fight happen. Boxing is a sport of many avenues, and one important one now a days, is POLITICS !! Something he's not willing to do.

    Ok then my dude, i will patiently wait 3 years for the MW division to "Maybe" sizzle up, before he actually steps up.

    Bhop had a similar problem when he was being criticized for staying at 160 so long, and what did he do, he chased greatness. You know kirk, that greatness in boxing is not given, it's earned. He sure as hell aint gonna get that waiting around for his division to sizzle. Not in this era. And if he's such a tiny middleweight, then in 3 years (he'll be 36) he can bring his happy ass back down with the quickness and dominate.....
     
  5. freddy-wak

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    why doesn't he belong there, kirk ? doesn't he have the powere of a heavyweight ? or is that just vs c- level guys....
     
  6. freddy-wak

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    but the question is not in canelos court, he's already a proven badass just by taking on dangerous opponents that "were" supposed to beat him....the ball will be in ggg's court, and by the looks of it he will not be willing to shoot the game winner....he would've already shown signs of a game fighter, but he hasn't.....he's being spoonfed and you know it kirk....a guy with over 400 ammy's is being babied with a cloth softer than the one chavez jr had.....even jr has the ***** to atleast try and reach for greatness
     
  7. kirk

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    Bro, Hopkins didn't move up til he was 40 and he lost back to back fights and publicly said his body cant do the weight cut anymore.

    Come on man! :lol:
     
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    Canelos fought one opponent I haven't picked him to beat. And I cant think of one fight besides mayweather he wasn't the betting odds favorite in, so I dont know what this talk from his fans that he takes on these killers that were 'supposed' to beat him because that's not the case. Its not backed up by actual odds.

    But ya, Canelo has a nice resume for his age. Why? Because he had the opponents in his weightclass to make that happen, he had the promoter and the brand name to make him a payday to his opponents instead of avoiding him, and he is a badass that forced fights to happen. Credit to him.

    Golovkin is not in that situation at all... hes not a brand name yet (that is what he is trying to do), and he doesn't provide the payday that make the risk he is reasonable to those around him.
     
  9. kirk

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    Freddy.... I think Golovkin has made you reach a bit bro :lol:

    You are letting his fans or his hype or something put you in an unreasonable, agenda ridden, position.

    just imo.

    anyways, facts speak otherwise, reason says otherwise, being realistic says otherwise, and that you quite obviously have picked Golovkin out of a sea of examples to choose from with other fights means you will probably stick to this anti Golovkin agenda so Imma peace out :lol: You are not seeing that name dropping does not mean a fighter is willing to fight him, you don't see that he cant make others in his division fight him, you cant see that being 5lbs above his fightweight a month away from his fights and being outweighed by jr middles probably means he shouldn't move up in weight, and that the plan they are on right now is building the Golovkin brand wonderfully and soon it will pay off for him (especially since he can very well be in the mix for a Canelo fight soon)

    Hope all is well with you man it seems your gym is going along great I wanna see you on 24/7 as a trainer someday!
     
  10. freddy-wak

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    thanks Kirk, everything is going great bro. In time, you will see what i was talking about with GGG, he's just another kid diamond...remember him ? :lol:
     
  11. freddy-wak

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    Him being 40 makes GGG look even worse
     
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    In your opinion, you might not think much of canelos record, but the kid is young, and makes ggg's record look like the menu at a yogurt stand.......the point is, canelo is WILLING to face anyone...his freckle faced ass can take the ggg route, and still make millions, but the kid has ***** the size of GGG'S amateur record !

    I get it, poor lil GGG is just a champ at the wrong time, and no one wants to fight him so he's gonna wait 5 years for a solid MW to finally test him....
     
  13. freddy-wak

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    not at all bro. you're calling him a small middle, and i'm calling him out on his statements "from 154 to 168 i'll fight anyone"
     
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    You said dangerous guys that were supposed to beat him.

    Hes fought one guy that was supposed to beat him, and he did.

    That's it, nothing left to say that statement was false. Canelo has fought one guy that was 'supposed to beat him'. One.

    He got that fight because that's what was available to him and he had the promoter/brand to make it happen. Good for him

    Just like Hopkins didn't move up to randomly chase greatness, he moved up because he couldn't comfortably make weight anymore. The only real reason fighters should move up.

    You making statements that aren't true and then changing the goalposts afterwards.
     
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    Freddy 3 of your last 8 threads have been about Golovkin man :lol: This aint just about calling him out on that statement. You've got a clear all around anti Golovkin agenda.

    Ward said years ago he would take any big fight at light heavyweight and that hes tired of making super middle... he was in an even emptier division at the time with two big fights staring him in the face at light heavyweight calling him out on national television but I don't see your thread on that if this is about unfulfilled statements. Leo Santa Cruz said hed fight rigondeaux then moved up a division.... I don't see your thread on that if this is about unfulfilled statements.

    You've got an agenda and are being bias, you are reaching with statements, making up others, citing wrong reasons for things, ect, ect.. and those fallacies usually married to an inferior position of reason :good