Manny's tactics

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He won,run,pot shot,run .Same formula.
     
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  2. Beast-Mode

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    But that is what the corner is for. If they weren't clued in on what was going on in the fight than they failed Pac.
     
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  3. Akxtinguish

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    No idea what's going on with Roach, he seems to have checked out mentally. He was just about physically present tonight, didn't seem to be reacting to what was going on.
     
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  4. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He had most of his success in the centre of the ring actually, until Mayweather neutralized(for the most part) him with the wide left hook and jab, it kept Pacquiao unable to come in, but when he did get off he still landed good shots, again, when Floyd was not on the ropes.

    I think you only believe he did his best work with Floyd on the ropes is because of the early flurries when floyd had the high guard. Mayweather was hurt from a punch earlier to those moments and his go to move was high guard, where pacquiao blitzed him.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, but Floyd doesn't counter that much when he's pressed up against the ropes and the opponent is firing. In the center of the ring, yes, but not against the ropes. In the third round, he just covered up when Manny unloaded. Those shots didn't do damage, but it won Manny the round. If a guy unloads, and the opponent covers up, the aggressor will catch the judges eyes a lot more. That's where Manny could have stole the rounds, just like how Madaina did. Looking at things logically, I don't see how Manny could ever have won the fight without employing those tactics.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Again, Floyd covers up for the majority of times when he's on the ropes.

    Madaina wasn't afraid of getting countered, and neither was Oscar. And both of those guys found success.

    If Manny didn't want to pressure him because he was scared of getting countered, he should never have signed for the fight, unless it was just to cash out. Because without applying constant pressure, he had absolutely no chance of winning, other than landing a lottery punch.
     
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  7. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't hear what the corner was telling him but they probably knew Pacquiao was losing but there was nothing they could do about it. If Manny went all gung ho he would have gotten beaten even worse and possibly even stopped imo. They had to stick with the game plan and hope it would come good at some point and he would catch Floyd with a good shot and hurt him. We've seen what can happen when corners let fighters out of their "cage".
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I feel that there were many opportunities for Manny to replicate what he did in the third round.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was shocked when I heard Manny say that he thought he'd won. I guess we'll have to wait and see what Freddie says when he's interviewed. But from watching the TV, it seemed like he was just quietly talking to him. I expected him to be yelling at him and firing him up.
     
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  10. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spot on
     
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  11. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wtf was that BS.That's h0w u dominate a combat?
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    I was puzzled at the one time (third round?) that he got Floyd on the ropes and really let go (even though most if not all the head shots were blocked) ... Manny voluntarily backs off to the middle of the ring.

    Why not step around and throw a couple of body shots, then step around to the other side and throw a couple there, maybe try to sneak in the uppercut, whatever.

    But press the advantage.

    Floyd wasn't throwing back. He was covering up. I'm not saying get "rope-a-doped" and throw 100 punches that are going to only hit arms and gloves and punch yourself out, but, geez, keep him there and pick your shots and try to find an opening to do some damage.

    Above all, why back off and say, "OK Floyd, I'm done, you can step off the ropes now"?
     
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  13. Loudon

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    I guess it's human nature for most guys to become deterred if they're getting countered hard and often. But again, Floyd doesn't do that a lot when he's trapped on the ropes. He covers up. They apparently studied him. So surely Manny being aggressive when he was on the ropes to steal the rounds, was their only realistic chance of winning the fight?
     
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  14. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. tha KO by JMM is still in the back of Manny's mind which made him very cautious.
    2. Freddy is shot. He needs to retire and certainly needs rest.
    3. Manny wasnt hurt. Its understandable on his part. Its like in chess. sometimes the audience have a better perspective.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    Not all the time he doesn't. He covers up. Watch the third round. Madaina caused him a lot of trouble in their first fight and was awarded rounds on aggression etc.
     
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