Floyd is now in the top 2 best boxers of all time.

Just stats. He dodged every prime fighter that shared his era. Otherwise you have to have Ottke and Calzaghe as top 5 and everybody knows that is an insult to the great goddess in the sky.

 

True ATG

 

Your opinion is awful

 

You have Calzaghe and Ottke on your all time list? Above or below Chavez junior and Wilder?:think

 

Greb ?

Langford ?

Armstrong ?

Leonard ?

Duran ?



This will move him up, no doubt, but won't put him anywhere close to the top 10.

 

Prime is purely based on numerical values.

 

Mayweather is bigger than Cotto.

Mayweather is also a lot more experienced than Canelo (about 14 years IIRC). I think if Canelo was a couple of years older and then fought Mayweather then it would've been a lot more even. In that fight, Canelo appeared very naive. How you can say Canelo is at his prime is beyond me too.

But we're deviating from the original point. Mayweather didn't fight Pacquiao 5 years ago when both were at their prime, because Mayweather feared he would lose. He's a great boxer, but he hasn't fought in any great fights and that's his fault, no-one elses.

 

Honestly, depending on how much longer he fights for, he can make an argument for himself inside the top 15, no doubt about it. If he goes for 50-0 and takes on the right guys, I just don't see how he won't be regarded as a top 15 fighter.

Say he takes on Cotto at the full 160 limit and beats him, he'd be the recognized lineal champion in 3 weightclasses simultaneously. Even by old school measures, he'd be the current lineal champ in 2 of the 8 original weightclasses.

That would be entering Henry Armstrong territory. Being a simultaneous lineal champ in 3 divisions, a 50-0 record and wins against around 10 HOF fighters and a FOTD winner. What more can the man do in all honesty? You have to acknowledge and respect his length of dominance. It's remarkable stuff.

 

Retrospect is a wonderful thing. Fighting guys eventually in a medium where ability can very easily diminish with the passage of time, doesn't make up for not making the fights when they should have happened. He waited out far to many fights and it created a bit of a grey area.

Bigger guys that have strength are going to give Floyd problems, so it's not straight forward. Maidana isn't an atg for example.

If Floyd fought and beat Golovkin i would give him huge respect and put him very high in atg lists.

 

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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and you have to respect that.

But I can't see any argument where you could rank Floyd higher.

 

Don't think so.

He would need GGG at MW and maybe Ward at SMW.


Seriously, when he finishes, I expect I will have him considerably higher than most of the experts and classic posters, but the best I can see for him is cracking the lower end of the top 20.

But I'll reserve judgment for a few years.:yep

 

I'd be astonished if he did. Mayweather wants to wind down, why would he fight against someone who has a real chance of beating him? If Mayweather fought Golovkin, it would be his toughest fight in his career. Golovkin is at his peak and Mayweather's history shows that he does not fight them at that point. Furthermore, Golovkin's style is very direct and punishing. Mayweather would not only struggle physically with him, but also wouldn't be able to clinch as well. He's 38. He doesn't want to carry on.

I just don't see it happening at all. Unless Mayweather is either forced to go with him or wants one big last pay day (even then it would make more sense having a rematch with Pacquiao), he's going to be the first boxer to avoid.