CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

True. He didn't want to fight him on PEDs. I personally don't mind if a small fighter uses steroids to scale the divisions. In my mind, he is simply levelling the playing field, matching his opponents physique to allow for a contest. Blood-doping I see as an outright cheat, but I realise I might be alone to care about this distinction.

Yeah, Floyd would be very satisfied to take a victory against a non-PED using depleted Pacquiao, or use the testing as a shield to avoid the fight.

That's just how he is. Practical, and not in it for the honor but the money and bragging rights. We know this.

 

I remember Floyd sr being absolutely flabbergasted after Pacquiao-Mosley. It ties in with yesterdays match, and that right hand that he wanted his son to load up with.

I think he thought Mosley would knock Pac the hell out. When Pac took his punch, and floored the cast-iron Shane as early as the fourth, he was convinced Pac was on some magic potion.

Getting hurt bad by Morales to walking through Mosley was a big leap in his eyes. Morales had the footwork to position himself better, but whatever, that's what he thought and there's some merit there.

 

Anyone think the shoulder thing could be legit, I don't know what to think of it? Pac does stop throwing the right hand with any bad intentions after the 4th and May starts having an easy time of spinning to the left to escape off the ropes because nothing is coming from that direction.

My impression was more or less Pac running out of gas and not being able to pull the trigger with the right hook, but never know.

 

Floyd senior started talking about PEDs when Pac KO'd his boy Hatton.

I'm not sure if he believed it or if he needed to save face after Hatton's disappointing performance.

Little Floyd took notice too. He knew how long it had taken him and that he'd dropped some rounds to Ricky, and here was Pac, fighting Ricky at Ricky's best weight, and destroying him.

Any concerns he had were only deepened when Pac put a one-sided beating on Cotto.

Like most, I had picked against Pac versus Oscar, Ricky and Miguel.

(I had taken PacDbest to be a somewhat entertaining ( if delusional) troll. )

But not since then, till last night.

As I've always stated, I think Floyd would always have been the favourite, even in 2010, and while we can't be certain of what's in someone'e mind, I don't have much doubt as to why Floyd waited five years (and till after JMM 4) to agree to face him.

I don't mean he was physically afraid of Manny, but that zero had come to mean a lot, and he needed to be absolutely sure before he signed on.

I think Floyd probably regretted not fighting Sergio after he saw his state in the Cotto fight.

He could have had a linear MW title to add to his impressive collection.

As it stands, he'll probably finish up in the twenties all-time. Where, will be determined by his last one or two fights.

 

But was Floyd allowed injections? The story is Pac was allowed to use injections to train but hours before the fight was denied, weird business that if true.

I think they are both physical messes at this point and would be within their rights to retire. But like I said earlier, May can cruise with his reach and educated feet, Pac being depended on his physical attributes to overwhelm him doesn't have a shot if something is off like that.

 

I disagree, in fact I would bet on a GGG KO but I dont expect Floyd to take that match and rightfully so

 

I don't know, I would find it weird if he requested an injection for his shoulder if there was no injury. I think more and more will come out about this, and we'll have a better idea of what exactly happened.

Given how much time had passed, May wasn't going to get a lot of credit for this win either, and neither would Pac really. Adding a controversy further tarnishes it.

A guy with a bum shoulder who was knocked out by Marquez. I think Marquez was better than both guys at 38 and 36, he's inactive now but would be funny if he somehow beat May in Sept and got the last laugh on everyone. I know that' s not happening but would be ideal.

 

You think a bigger risk than GGG with less to gain, given May already has a win over him? Though a rather weird one with the whole weight issue.

 

Mayweather even at 38 he made Pacquiao look like he was stuck in the mud.

 

I don't know if the shoulder is legit or not.

Truth is, I think Pacquiao looked pretty much how I expected him to look, and the way he's been looking the last 3 or 4 years.

 

Not in the first 4 rounds, Pac stopped moving after that. Shoulder injury or not, he was gassed out after that big flurry.