Floyd is now in the top 2 best boxers of all time.

Two years before TMT Canelo negotiations started, before Canelo was a big star, Canelo was asked casually by a reporter if he would be interested in fighting Floyd Mayweather. Of course he was thrilled at the idea. He was then asked by a reporter if he would consider dropping to 150 to make that fight happen. At the time, Canelo was not seriously considered as an opponent for Mayweather. This was way before he beat Trout. He was younger and at that time could make the 150 easily.

Two years later Canelo grew and naturally got bigger and as you grow it gets harder to cut weight.

For example, same thing happened with Danny Garcia. A few years ago, he would have no trouble making 140. But then he grew and got older and all of a sudden the scale started sayin 141, then 142, then 143. Remember what happened vs Herrera. He was drained and almost lost, right? Now he can't even defend his title at 140, because he can't make the weight, right? This is what happens when young boxers grow and a few years pass. Things change, the body changes, and all of a sudden you are 2-4 lbs heavier.

What TMT did was dug up that quote from two years earlier and used it as a starting point for negotiations, and it was presented to the public as if Canelo just said that a few days ago as part of the negotiation. In reality, that was a quote from a long time ago before Canelo was a big star. (kinda like Danny Garcia a few years ago back when he could make 140 easily, now he can't)

I have stated all along that my view is that that Floyd Canelo fight was essentially 11 even rounds and 1 big round for Floyd. I don't dispute the fact that Floyd got the decision, I thought based upon the fight itself he deserved to win.

But what I don't agree on is that it was somehow a dominant performance by Floyd. It wasn't. Even a drained Canelo still fought him even for 11 out of the 12 rounds. That's a close fight, especially when the official judges had it a majority decision. (two rounds away from a Draw)

Any way you slice it, that's a close fight. Even if you somehow try to claim he wasn't drained, which is completely absurd knowing what we know, still we keep hearing that Floyd dominated Canelo which is completely untrue. A drained Canelo fought Floyd tooth and nail for 12 rounds and gave him a very good fight. Certainly deserving of a rematch. But Floyd don't wanna fight Canelo at 154 because he knows Canelo can beat him at that weight, which was the whole reason why Floyd and TMT demanded the 152 catch weight in the first place.

 

Canelo had to go down to a weight he wasn't comfortable with. In fact, many people didn't expect him to reach the weight. Get Canelo in at 154 and let's see if Mayweather can deal with that. The poster above me has explained eloquently the views that I share as well.

I just don't see why Mayweather would go up 2 bands to fight Golovkin. Makes 0 zero sense to him. He has a very real chance of losing and he wants to reach 49. Mayweather's whole boxing career involves him getting the upper hand before the fight has even started. I just simply cannot see him fighting Golovkin, and if he does it will be to his rules and not his. Mayweather has everything to lose, like he did against Pacquiao and it's not in his interest to follow through with that again.

If he did, however, we could be in for a proper fight. And if Mayweather does beat Golovkin, then he goes up in estimations for a lot of people. But I believe the chances of that fight are very very small. He'll probably thrash out a deal with Khan or someone else.

 

How on earth was Canelo at his peak?

You're dreaming if you think that Floyd would fight GGG.

 

:rofl

 

Not gonna read through this thread but, you had Pacquiao ridiculously overrated.

 

In my opinion, Floyd easily beat Canelo, and it was a great performance. But Floyd always manages to somehow taint a lot of his victories.

Before the fight, Floyd said "I don't care what Canelo rehydrates to. It doesn't matter, because it's skill that wins fights."

So then why make the catchweight??

Floyd should have gotten 100% credit for that win.

But he didn't and he won't, because there'll always be a 'what if..' factor surrounding the result.

So why did he put himself in that position?

And it's because of actions like that, why I think people have got to be living in a fantasy if they think that Floyd would fight a guy like GGG at JMW-MW.

 

He would have probably stayed at his natural weight and not gone to 147. I think him versus Duran at 135 could have been great.

 

IMHO, he wouldn't have gone anywhere near SRL and Hearns.

A fight against Duran at LW is one of my all time fantasy fights. But again, would he have taken the fight? It's a legitimate question to ask. I think Duran would have intimidated him and psyched him out.

 

An intriguing thing about boxers like Floyd Mayweather, is that it's hard to tell if they're truly superior or just barely pulled through. As a rule of thumb, though, I try not to bash boxers for failing to pinpoint the evening that in hindsight will be seen as their opponents "peak" or "prime", since many fighters will be deemed past prime by fickle fans simply because they had their **** kicked by their betters.

Would it be fair to say that Floyd has proven himself to be the best fighter of his era? I think so.

 

:good

 

Truth

 

Borderline top 25. I have him somewhere from 25-30

 

As mentioned earlier i would rank him behind Leonard but those 2 I would say are the 2 smartest boxers of all time

 

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I think this is a very fair assessment.