The Tale of The Compubox: Mayweather's Offense and Pacquiao's Defense

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  1. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The compubox told the narratives of the fight, while also showing some surprising, shocking things.

    Manny Pacquiao, known to a ferocious, high volume puncher, threw the lowest amount of punches in his career, only 429 punches. Another career low was against Bradley in April where he threw 563.

    Manny came out weighing 152, the highest he's ever weighed in for fight night after weighing worryingly low during fight week, 143. People assumed Pacquiao would come in light to allow a "light on feet" footwork and for fast foot speed, yet on fight night, the audience saw neither. Instead, Pacquiao was extremely flat-footed, similar to how he was in Bradley 2.

    Was it a question of stamina? Pacquiao avg 38 punches the first six rounds, 50% less than his normal avg which is 66 punches. Pacquiao normally increases his punch output by around 15 punches when entering rounds 7-12. Against Mayweather though, his punch output dropped and he ended up throwing 33 punches per round 7-12.

    Pacquiao normally increases his punch efficiency the longer the fight goes on. There was not much change from Pacquiao this fight though, as he landed around 18% both the first and second half of the fight.

    For Mayweather, stamina definitely wasn't an issue. He came out normal averaging 27 punches for the first 6 rounds, which is only 2 less than his norm. For rounds 6-12, unlike Pacquiao who declined punch output wise, Mayweather increased his punch output more than 10, avg 39 punches for rds 7-12!

    Surprisingly, Mayweather landed at one of the lowest connect percentages of his career (along with Pacquiao lol ) landing 34%. That is actually Pac's normal avg surprisingly. 34% was a significant drop with Mayweather avg 50% over his past three fights.

    To put it in perspective, both Mayweather and Pacquiao's defense imposed a lot on the other fighter. I think this is incredible. BOTH MAYWEATHER AND PACQUIAO CAUSED EACHOTHER'S LANDING % TO DROP THE SAME %. Yes!

    Pacquiao caused Mayweather's avg landing % to drop about 16% (50 to 34). Mayweather caused Pacquiao's avg landing % to drop about 16% as well (34 to 18 )! I think that is just a huge testament to how evasive both fighters are. Unfortunately for Pac, he's landing % drop was seen more due to his avg landing % being lower than Mayweather's to start.

    Many expected Pacquiao to come out and immediately apply pressure, but instead, Pacquiao boxed Floyd for a good half of the fight, picking his shots. As a result, Mayweather imposed his pace and was put in the most comfortable situation he could be put it.

    Now, Mayweather is famously known for adjusting to a fighter's timing
    allowing an increase in connect % the longer the fight goes on. However, yesterday was a slightly different story. Manny was consistently 18% throughout the fight. For Mayweather, the first 6 rounds, he landed on Pacquiao at 36%. For rounds 7-12, his landing percentage dropped to 31%. What does this mean, in your opinion? Did Mayweather get Pacquiao's timing down? Was Manny able to anticipate Floyd's attacks, allowing more evasiveness later in the fight?

    If we go by stamina, Floyd by FAR had it. He increased it greatly the longer the fight went on while Pacquiao's declined significantly. It was evident to see. Floyd moved well all 12 rounds, while Pacquiao appeared very flat-footed and fatigued the entire fight practically.


    Then, Pacquiao landed on avg 7 punches per round for 1-6 and 7-12, which tells me lack of adjustments. For Mayweather, he landed on avg 12 punches 1-6 and 12 landed punches 7-12. Both of them avg around 18 landed punches per round normally.


    A lot of different variables went into the fight. One circumstance was, whoever was in the best condition would win, and I think it's clear that Mayweather was in much better condition.

    Also, the decline in both of their landing % is interesting, especially since the % drop difference from their average is the same.

    The narrative here is Pacquiao's inability to throw many punches and both of their ability to evade each other's punches and cause each other to miss, as well as their body conditions.
     
  2. Ricdog

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    You forgot to mention the simple thing, punches landed!Pac 81, which is a statistical low for him. And Floyd only 148, also a lowest for him.
     
  3. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh good call, I'll edit it
     
  4. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You forgot Lederman 117-111, Farhood 118-110, Judge 118-110 and Carl Froch "one-sided ass-whooping" ... they didn't see it close. You can check all the numbers but you're looking at the trees instead of the forest. The forest is much more vast than the trees in your sight.
     
  5. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've rewatched the fight 3 times, frame by frame. Mayweather won but it was closer than people think. I scored it 113-115 Mayweather. I think their scorecards were really favorable, but I'm not surprised. Their past history of scoring showed they preferred defense over aggression which was MORE reason for Pacquiao to come out guns blazing.
     
  6. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...do people still take compubox seriously?
     
  7. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Completely outclassed.

    That's about it.

    9 rounds to 3.

    Manny had nothing. Hesitant to throw, outthrown, outlanded, outwitted, outgeneral'd.

    Nowhere near the class of Floyd. 2 different class of fighters.

    Manny was never in his class and never will be. There will be no rematch and nobody is going to want to pay $100 for this fight again.
     
  8. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haha, people act the same way with basketball statistics. I love ****ytics in sports.
     
  9. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I watched it 2X. There is no way it was that close. The closest I can give Pac is 116-112. I can't see how you can score it any closer. Those guys know how to score and Froch is not biased. He was simply in awe of the Mayweather mastery of his craft in person.

    Pac was outclassed in that fight.
     
  10. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny stole some rounds whenever he was able to get Floyd on the ropes. Mayweather was missing ALOT, as was Manny, but when Manny landed, it was the more devastating blows. Add in that Manny was being the aggressor, I had Manny stealing some rounds. I had I think one round even. Maybe 2.
     
  11. Ducklerr

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    Lederman prefers defense over aggression? Absolutely not. Lederman notoriously scores for ineffective aggression.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Hey abuffy I have an assignment for you, if you have time or want to of course, try doing a complete run down of Golovkin Vs. Monroe in a day or two. What's your assessment of that match?

    Here's are some Cliff Notes you can check out to maybe get you excited about this match, it could be more competitive than people think.


    My Monroe thread.
    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=16935620

    My Golovkin thread. It has every early GGG match not on US TV except 1.
    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=518691
     
  13. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I love ****ytics in sport, however I don't think a "live" count in boxing is possible. I fall into the camp that believe a punch count should be done in the 24 hours FOLLOWING the fight and done in slow-motion with figures published the following day.

    To stay on the basketball ****ogy, there is little doubt on who scores the basket, who blocks a shot and who steals the ball. In boxing there are combinations that land clean in the blur of an eye, straights that glance off a fighters glove, shots that fall inches short, and yet 2 dudes at ring side need to try and call them at real time and then they get reguritated as fact.

    I advise evryone who "believes" in compubox to watch round 1 of Kirkland Vs Angulo and compare their count to the compubox one. It's a great round but the compubox count is waaaay off.
     
  14. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
  15. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Compubox is reasonably accurate in terms of punches thrown, not so much in terms of punches landed.