Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao: IB's Keys to Success

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  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Yeah, but... Pac by KTFO.
     
  2. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not that the jab doesn't reach (it does). It's that it's supremely easy for a southpaw to counter. Plus it's hard to land in a meaningful way. That's why it turns into a distraction/steering tool. I don't think you've picked up on how much Pacquiao LOVES countering the jab when opponents are foolish enough to commit to it. He is by no means ideal for jabbing at. Nobody that has ever fought him has come to the conclusion that his attacks are in any way predictable. It's quite the opposite.

    I understand your point. To me, throwing more jabs is just going to give Pacquiao one more thing to counter, not worry about. It's high-risk/low-reward, which is not Mayweather's style at all.

    This is why I think Mayweather's hook is going to have to play a large role.

    Again, I go back to Ward/Dawson. Ward throws a short hook on the inside angle, and he ends combinations with a straight left (not a jab)...something Pacquiao is adept at. If Mayweather can do that (bring his left into play more, as you suggest, but as a hook or straight left), it will give Pacquiao a lot more to think about, shorten his combinations, and make him less aggressive.

    If this turns into "who can land the rear hand more," who knows what will happen. Both guys need to get their hook working.
     
  3. GuestAppearance

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    Floyd has the reach and his jab is actually the punch that will make the difference because even if it doesn't do damage [which we won't know till we see Manny take his jab] at the very least it will give him points. He can lean on the jab. Especially his jab to the body, because he's quick enough to jab to the body and step away to create the distance. And if Manny wants to step forward, Floyd has the counter straight right in his toolbox. Floyd is better than anyone Manny has fought. It depends on if Floyd wants to look good or wants to exchange, Floyd can limit Manny's left if he fights in space and tries to outbox Manny.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Goddamn YouTube song-remover doesn't work. :twisted:
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Turns out Mayweather adhered closer to my keys than Pacquiao.

    The orthodox jab was sprinkled in effectively amongst the lead rights to break Pacquiao's rhythm and limit his output (actually kind of an understatement) and sure enough the check hook - or at least a fade-away/pivoting counter left hook if not exactly the same punch that sent Hatton face-first into a turnbuckle - first made its appearance circa the halfway mark. Floyd did use shuffling half-steps to preserve distance and his timing was impeccable, though he did fail to employ as much of the high guard defense as he should have, stubbornly remaining in the Philly shell even when that defense was getting repeatedly breached, and consequently got zapped with many a left hand lead, causing a few brief scares.

    As for Pacquiao, his foot speed didn't match up with Mayweather's as expected (which he really needed it to in order to compensate for his legs being less educated and graceful) and he utterly failed to finish strong on his combos with a right hook, and his jabs were neither as stiff nor as plentiful as they ought to have been. (Shane Mosley and Mike Tyson even made live posts on social media during the fight saying that Pacquiao's best successes came when he threw lots of jabs at Floyd and that he floundered when he didn't. Sound familiar? Oscar De La Hoya to the courtesy phone, please...)

    One thing by which I was surprised, that actually worked for Pacquiao and ran contrary to my keys, was that he largely eschewed the 1-1-2 in favor of a more compact and straightforward one-two. The right jab wasn't especially stiff or well-aimed but it was routinely just the one, followed immediately by a hard straight left cross. Floyd definitely wasn't expecting that. Pacquiao virtually always doubles the jab before the left cross, sometimes lazily pawing it, sometimes actually snapping it (part of my keys for him was to do the latter) - but he just threw out the manual altogether with a completely different look than Floyd or anybody else was expecting. Just conventional southpaw 1-2s. No time after the initial jab to squeeze in a counter, set your defense, nothing. The jab was a warning shot - GTFO the way or you will be nailed by this big ass left.
     
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Pacquiao really needed to do what Maidana did in the first fight. He needed to take some chances and be very active. He looked clueless in there for much of the fight which is a credit to Floyd.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, no matter the circumstances, nothing good comes of that, ever.

    BTW, if you missed it in my RC sticky, good call on Floyd and the jab. Was thinking that during the early rounds of the fight, and again when Floyd started picking up the jab again later after getting away from it for awhile.

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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes, and his manner of footwork (ingrained over years, and something you can't really alter in one training camp) doesn't lend itself to indecision - which is what plagued him throughout, barring his off-and-on ball-to-wall approach from the fourth through eighth rounds - and that is where he really suffered.

    That pick-up and immediate limp put-down of the ball of the right foot, that kind of jerky gas-and-then-brake motion that is every driving instructor's worst nightmare when giving a kid their road test, killed him. Stepping halfway in but not committing, just leaving yourself all squared up directly center line in Mayweather's strike zone - that was imbecilic. Pacquiao brought about 5 rounds' worth (less, actually, since he didn't go all-out in any of those five rounds for a full three minutes) of his old killer instinct to a 12-round match that was the most important of his life. :-(