The official Mayweather vs. Pacquiao aftermath trash receptacle

Yes it was, it solidified FMJ was this generation's best.

 

by defeating a shot and injured fighter. he won against a shot pacquiao nothing more nothing less.

 

What if Pacquiao beat Floyd UD and Floyd said his hands were hurting him so he had to adjust? Would it have been a credible win or would you say the same? I would have said it's a shame but he was still game and fighting within his capacity although not optimum and didn't Pacman have a shoulder problem?

The way this fight went, the shoulder did not cause the loss. It was a terrible gameplan and Floyd fought perfectly, controlled the distance and didn't take any chances and Pacquiao rarely opened him up or got in range, he can only be effective at mid-range and overwhelming the opponent with his angles and speed. He also did not stop coming in at straight lines.

 

Calzaghe-RJJ?


Unlike RJJ, Pac actually got back up after his KO loss and beat another P4P fighter.

Roy had not won a meaningful fight since Tarver I, where it took all he had.

Mayweather-Pacquiao should never be compared to Calzaghe-Jones, Don't even get me started on Camacho SRL.:rofl

 

Pacquiao isn't shot, he's past prime as is Floyd, they were both two of the best fighters in the sport still. It doesn't really matter though, to me it shows Floyd was the better fighter all along the way he schooled Pac in that fight.

 

it'd be a win over a past prime mayweather, who are we kidding, we all know they're deteriorated as fcuk hanging on to their spots by virtue of fighting the maidanas and algieris of the world

 

That is why I showed my wife the Maidana fight. Chino truly overwhelmed him. He was relentless, didn't respect him and wanted to go for the knockout. If he hadn't tired towards the end of the first match he could have won. Maidana did a magnificent job. However, the P4P #2 was gun shy and wanted to have Floyd stand still. Maidana didn't care that he had to chase him, he threw with fury, even if he got countered coming in. Pacquiao had to force the fight. He didn't.

 

you don't know all the facts surrounding shoulder injury, so keep an open mind.

I agree Pacquiao wasn't very gracious in defeat, he should've given Floyd more credit for being elusive. He should've also put blame on himself for a questionable strategy. If Maidana could throw 800 punches, Pacquiao at least could've thrown north of 600, this is a guy that once threw 1250 punches! (his fight vs Clottey).

To me, his strategy was to selectively attack, not run into a big punch. This kinda worked in that Floyd himself only connected on 34% of his punches (he usually achieves closer to 50%) and he avoiding getting hurt BUT at the expense of landing little. Floyd is hard to hit and so Pac should've planned on throwing over 800 punches, knowing connect % was going to be low. The shoulder injury may have played some part but i believe the main problem was tactical.

I also think Roach and Pac really thought Floyd's legs where shot and were surprised by how well he moved.

I absolutely HATE how Floyd can pull off rounds by dancing and not landing much but that's Floyd. He, without an doubt, is one of the most boring ATGs.. His biggest fights have been snoozefests, whether you are a Floyd fan or not. Floyd vs DLH was a snoozefest; canelo vs Floyd was a snoozefest and now Pac vs floyd was a snoozefest (although somewhat exaggerated due to high expectations). The top 3 $$ making Floyd Mayweather fights have been snoozefests. You guys can't blame any of us for not being a fan his style sometimes. Be reasonable.

 

you can say prime all you want, he fought them all, does not matter. he wanted to fight ZU but he lost to Hatton, learn your history dummy!! hate arguing with clowns

 

So in other words it's not okay if hotels and other businesses loose money but it's okay if the average joe does. Just think of what you just said. 4M got ripped off to prevent maybe 50-100 businesses, likely owned by million or billionaires from losing money.

 

One of my family watched it, not a boxing fan, bored by it, thought the decision was fixed and couldn't understand how they'd give the decision to the guy who was running from the action the whole fight.

This is how the public sees our sport, and when you think about it it's hard not to have see it from their perspective. Hitting a guy a few times and running away so you win the round is not really winning a "fight" in the purest sense, at least not one anybody would be interested in watching.

 

I hold that it wasn't a massive legacy win for Floyd.

Pacquiao IS past prime, considerably more so than Mayweather.
Pacquiao is psychologically past it - his killer instinct died in 2011. The killer instinct was put in casket in 2012 when Marquez KO'd him.
This is a very important point because as I've mentioned before, a prime Manny took big shots from Morales, Barrera, Cotto, Margarito etc. just to land his own in a high volume. He would have walked all over Mayweather's shots as Mayweather was never going to land a knockout blow, at worst just a flash knockdown. The Marquez fight has made Manny too cautious, especially where counterpunching is concerned. The takeaway point is that Manny Pacquiao ceases to be THE Manny Pacquiao without this mental element. Some things affect some fighters more than others, this ruins Pacquiao. This is one of the reasons why Pacquiao had the lowest punch output he ever had.

Since 2011, he has also been on the decline athletically. It's 2015 now and he looked no way near the athlete he once was. Remember, it all started with his slow performance against Mosley? He never looked the same since.

I don't consider Manny an ATG in the ring anymore, I consider him a Hall of Famer who isn't quite on ATG level (in terms of head-to-head ability at this point, not in terms of overall greatness).

EDIT: OH and Manny had a torn shoulder injury (probably like the torn rotator cuff injury Floyd had when he clearly lost against Castillo). So this win against Pacquiao is even less credible.

Floyd is a Top 30 ATG now, closer to 30 than 20.

Floyd's longevity is completely overrated.

 

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you dont even know how to spell tzsyu:-(.

I see you're reading the "Floyd mayweather official talking points"

go back to reality man where boxing is more than one boxer/fighter. :good

 

Well, the guy who was clearly losing the bout could have sold out and went for it considering the magnitude of the event. Would have made a fight of it for as long as it lasted. And who knows, maybe he even gets to Floyd.

He didn't go for it. Can you honestly say you saw Manny Pacquiao say "F it, I need a KO to win. Let's just fight!" I didn't.

People can cry about "well, he didn't want to walk into a punch." Exactly... that's the position Mayweather put him in. Give credit where credit is due. Manny either had to walk to a boring decision and concede defeat, or go for broke.

He conceded defeat. Manny was sitting there trying to counter punch with Floyd FFS. Seriously.