CLASSIC FIGHT NIGHT THREAD:Wilder-Fury II

FMJ will/would beat Pac at ANY time at ANY weight ...........

He exposed the one trick pony for what he really was.....

I have said it for years, put Pac in with another face first brawler with zero defense, shell shocked from a previous beating , weight drain him and he will look like a million bucks.

Some of those "experts" on this board are utterly clueless in their assessment of fighters....

He was /is a product of excellent match making /marketing and using the FMJ "scared" excuse to fight another hand picked no hoper to cash in.

Arum/Roach cashed in there ticket, they knew all along that Manny never ever would beat Floyd, roids or not and jus kept milking the cash cow until she was dry.

The reason the agreed to fight now is because if he would have lost another time he would have been in a really bad spot in terms of $$$....cash out time baby.

How in the world could ANYBODY pick Pac to beat FMJ is pure comedy, a fighter with no jab, cant cut off the ring, has the Ring IQ of a house mouse, cant adapt and is about as one dimensional as they come plus could not avoid a straight right for his ENTIRE career even if you put a gun to his head.....

Rematch, lol, total shut out for May.....or if Pac decides to lung in ... KO.

I have been preaching for years that Pac will never have a chance against Mayweather and my consistant posts in that regard are now a fact.

 

I was shocked at how Freddie Roach literally said fuck all in the corner. It was like Manny had no Plan B. :-(

 

I think people need to remember that Pacquiao's real prime and best performances were as a featherweight or thereabouts.

I've always said his weight jumping achievements and wins at the higher weights were a bit overhyped, especially considering the opponents had to come down a few pounds than they were used to, to make the contest weight.

Having said that, in 2009 and 2010 he was on fire, it's hard to argue otherwise, and people saying "what a joke ! he never would have beat Floyd!" etc. , well, okay, then it only shows how much of a cherry-picker Floyd was to wait until Pacquiao was clearly an even lesser fighter.

If Floyd could have schooled a prime Pac, he seemed to be a bit TOO IMPRESSED by Pac, since he made a huge fuss about doping tests.

Truth is, when Marquez sparked Pacquiao out cold, Mayweather's resume was always going to have to rely on his 2009 win over JMM more so than any subsequent possible fight with Pacquiao.
Mayweather missed the boat on Pacquiao big time, as a historically significant win.

The fight could gross a TRILLION dollars, it doesn't matter.
Look at the cold hard facts, Pac's record and performances since being sparked by Marquez are pedestrian. And that's probably why the fight happened at all.

And a lot of people might be in denial now still.
But 10 years from now it will be clear as day to anyone looking back.

 

Good post.

Regardless the cash and the hype, at the end this fight doesn't really add much to Floyd's resume.

Had this fight happened 4-5 years ago, this could have been a marquee victory for Floyd. Nowadays it is kind of a dull victory.

 

Please tell me then why did it take Floyd a good 5 years to grow the ***** to fight him??

 

Good point. I agree. But how much of it was Mayweather?

One of the reasons I think Mayweather is great is he can take a body or head shot well.

 

Mayweather's defence is amazing, but it's still a type of defence where he will sometimes get tagged. Mosley, Maidana, Pacquaio all landed good shots on Floyd.

Imagine Hearns landing a straight right on Floyd. Floyd without his truly excellent durability and chin might have lost one of those fights, or more than one.

To be one of the best, you really do have to have it all.

 

Yeah and Floyd's peak years were at 130lb. :conf

You know I have a feeling if Pac won last Saturday you wouldn't be saying any of this.

 

I was saying it before the fight.
For the last 2 or 3 years I've been saying the fight has lost it's significance.
I've been saying for 2 or 3 years AT LEAST that some of Pac's wins (for example, Margarito) at higher weights were being overblown, and that I preferred him as a featherweight.

I was asking people before the fight what had Pacquiao done in the last few years, I was surprised he was being given such a chance by some.
I was surprised people were assuming him to still be the best fighter Floyd had faced, was Floyd's resume that weak ? I asked.


If pacquiao had won I'd be amazed. Wouldn't you ?

 

I agree with you though that Floyd was very tense in the first couple of rounds, that left hand that Manny caught him with in the fourth wasn't even that hard but Floyd went straight into a shell.

I think Freddie might be shot, he wasn't giving Manny any instructions whatsoever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mxvdG-Nygk
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Robert Garcia is correct and very respectful of Freddie Roach and Manny but there was no instruction from the corner. I was not impressed with Floyd Sr. either but he pushed Floyd Jr.....Freddie was pretty quiet and no adjustments, just the fact that Manny thought he was ahead.... he is right about Floyd he has nothing to prove but while 3GGG may be a mistake it would be a great reward

I like Robert as a trainer and as a very knowledgeable fight guy

 

I don't think either you or the Ukranian have got the beginnings of a clue of what you are talking about. Mayweather is harder to hit because of his highly educated footwork, which he uses to ensure that while his opponent is almost always within distance, he isn't.

Cotto doesn't, because he is NOTHING like as mobile.

 

If you are so gullible to not realise that the main stumbling block to this fight not happening years ago was a certain Jewish promoter trying his hardest to protect his cash cow, then I'm certainly not going to waste time trying to convince you otherwise.

You just keep falling for the " yesterday i was lying, but today I'm telling the truth " shysters bullsh it.

 

EXACTLY THIS.

It's a shame because the guy seems a decent sort who has acheived great things in his career, but the idiocy of his fanboys has blown his capabilities out of all proportion.

Go back to the first Morales fight when Erik thought he had the fight won, so went all macho in the 12th round and stood and traded with Pac. It was always the Filipino who backed off. The same happened in all of the Marquez fights. Pac lunges in, throws his combo, and as soon as he gets hit back, it's gloves up, step back, regroup and try again. His moronic fan boys try to convince themselves and the rest of us that he is this iron chinned relentless warrior that walks through everything thrown at him, and batters the other guy into submission.

It simply isn't true.

All Mayweather had to do was throw 3 separate punches to stop Pac dead in his tracks, put his gloves up, and step back to try again.

A single solid jab, a single left hook, or a single right hand lead. Worked every time, and what is more it ALWAYS would have.

He simply didn't like the fact that Mayweather was easily able to pick him off on the way in, and he didn't have a fuking clue what to do about it.

Also the only reason I can think of for Clements and Feldman giving him 4 rounds is due to him being a nice guy, because Morreti's 118 - 110 was much nearer the reality.

 

Lots of excuses here for Manny and Marquez. Floyd schooled both. Deal with it.