Why was tyson ''a hype job'' ?

Out of interest do you actually believe that pathetic **** from Pac, and Roach about firstly him winning, and secondly the shoulder injury garbage?

There is no doubt about Tyson's courage in taking his beatings like a man, but as stated Hagler would NEVER get a free pass for losing to the likes of Sibson in his prime, the way Tyson was humiliated, systematically beaten up, and KTFO by the little more than ordinary Douglas.

In future it might be better if you didn't try to convince people that what they can SEE with their own eyes is not as important as the excuses poured out by the ass wipe lickspittles in a fighters employ. Stevie Wonder, or Ray Charles could have seen that Tyson was in exactly the same shape for Douglas ( give or take a pound ) as he was for Spinks, Bruno, and Williams who he had dispatched in a combined 7 rounds in the 18 months prior to facing Douglas

Just a suggestion.

If you really want to see out of shape, compare Tokyo Douglas, with what turned up 8 months later to fight Holyfield.

 

The only thing fat about me is my shaft when your lady sits on it.... And show me some pre fight proof of the people around him stating Tyson was out of shape....

 

I have never been entirely sold on this argument, for two reasons.

Firstly I don't think that it is inherently necessary to show this, to prove your greatness, if the your resume has the necessary numbers.

Secondly I don't think that the sample of fights that we have to work with, prove that Tyson couldn't do this.

 

The proof is what he did not guessing as to what he may be able to do. I can't see Tyson in a fight like Ali Frazier 3...it would be obvious he was going to lose by the third round and he would lose.

 

True that. :good

 

Not necessarily.

If James Douglas had been born with a worse chin, is it not conceivable that Tyson would have come from behind to knock him out?

 

When you win 40 of your 50 career fights by the 6 th round, it's kinda difficult to have too many comebacks....

Math. It's fun and informative.

 

If Douglas had been born with a worse chin, he might get KO'd in the first round.
I doubt he'd be world ranked though with a worse chin. He'd already been stopped 3 times with the chin he had. A worse chin and he'd probably be a complete tomato can.

 

His chin didn't look so stellar the fight after though tbh...

 

This is true.
He shouldn't be penalized for winning fights early.

 

You have to ask how many times he had the chance to demonstrate what you are asking for, and whether it ultimately matters.

 

Douglas had an average chin, not granite, not glass.
But he had Tyson's attacks covered, he anticipated almost every punch and smothered them or rolled with them, took a few at lessened power, and got caught flush and hard perhaps only once.

With a weaker chin he probably goes down from a glancing, half-powered blow in an early round. There's only so far skills and game plan can take you if your chin is TRUE GLASS and you're in with a legit puncher like Tyson. :good

 

Who ? Tyson ?
It doesn't matter to me, personally.
I saw enough.
Saw him get thrashed by Douglas.
I also think he had heart and power, and, yes, theoretically that means he could score a come-from-behind KO even while being beaten up. I mean, arguably he came close with the uppercut KD.

The main thing is he got thoroughly beaten up by an solid but ordinary contender.
It is what it is.

As for Douglas, we know his level too. I give him full credit for the Tyson win and all his other wins, and I look at his losses too, and his performances in general.
Same rules apply for everyone.

 

If he did not show this ability it's a huge mark against him in terms of all time rankings. He had the opportunity to demonstrate this attribute numerous times but he failed to do so. Look at history Marciano coming back to beat Walcott and with his nose split in half beating Charles. Ali in a life or death struggle with Frazier in Manila. Jeffries coming back to win over Sharkey with his skin burning off from the excessive lighting used to help film the fight. Louis coming from behind to Ko Conn. Fighting on no matter what the circumstances to pull out a victory rates right up there with attributes such as cleverness, ability to take punishment and not quit, punching power and endurance.