Nicholas Walters vs Vasyl Lomachenko Is NOT Going To Be Very Competitive

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  1. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Little word regarding the Gamalier Rodriguez fight:
    In Vasyl's recent fight with Gammy, we saw his father telling him that he's punching too hard. In Vasyl's amateur fights, a lot of the time they were practising a certain technique. The aim of this fight was really to showboat and frustrate his opponent with an array of skills not seen before.
    Vasyl's style also is to throw the smaller punches to find openings, setting up a bigger shot. Now Lomachenko seems to also be using those smaller punches to point score whilst also making it emphasise ring generalship (another factor in point scoring).
    The Gammy fight was in some ways a really good prep for Walters.

    Little word regarding the Salido fight:
    Remember this, Lomachenko will only really have problems with an awkward pressure fighter who's much bigger than Lomachenko, and defends very well to the body. Salido was all of them things, although Lomachenko would beat Salido again, an elite big awkward pressure fighter is the style that'll trouble Loma the most (the same problem Mayweather has).

    Anyway, the Salido fight doesn't mean anything when considering Walters.
    Salido was a welterweight + 40 low blows + a lot of those low blows set up follow-up scoring punches which is unfair, as well as give the impression of effective aggression.
    Lomachenko has completely learned from that and will not allow for dirty tactics anymore.


    A word about Walters:
    Walters although a bigger fighter naturally, is NOT a stylistic threat. Lomachenko has seen countless guys like Walters.
    Take a look at Walter's footwork - that says most of the story lol.
    Also, Walters uses a high guard to defend himself, this is Lomachenko's dream. The two facets will see Lomachenko pull out some youtube highlight combinations. Loma will do very well turning Walters, Lomachenko's lateral movement will be a massive key in this fight, and will be instrumental in Lomachenko's ring generalship winning rounds.


    I love watching Lomachenko against orthodox fighters. His inevitable establishment of lead foot position being outside of Walter's lead foot is going to have Walters frustrated. Walters will especially be limited in punch variety.

    Look at Walters' back foot upon defending against an opponent lol. Planted, forcing him to become static and in the case of Loma, lost.
    Therefore, although Walters seems to get competitive advantages from his longer range and wide stance, this will be nullified by the above.
    Donaire's offense is pretty embarrassing actually. You must have watched that fight and it seemed to have given you the idea that Walters is going to be a brutal aggressor.

    Lomachenko is vulnerable to right hands to the body, a problem he's never adequately addressed and even Gammy landed a few good rights there. Walters dropped Donaire on one of these. He also has to be very careful when turning away from Walters, from the ropes. Walters can land a damaging hook.
    For all I know, Walters' power could be more devastating than I originally thought. I can't make a firm judgement as of yet considering 'Darchinyan and 126lbs' sounds like a comedic phrase, obviously he was going to get his head taken off. Donaire is a truly mediocre fighter (in the weight classes he's meant for).

    I'm really confused how people think this is a competitive fight. What am I missing here, guys? I haven't studied Walters meticulously but there are glaring features.
    Let this fight marinate, let Walters continue to win so when Lomachenko wins, he'll make a firm impression on everyone.

    Although I'm obviously rooting for Lomachenko, I'm a big fan of Walters. He's got an awesome personality.

    Concluding remarks regarding the landscape of 126lbs:
    I haven't seen anything of Vetyeka. After this current tournament of the champions Walters-Lomachenko-Selby-Gradovich-Russell Jr is done, I'd love to see the inevitable victor Loma defend against the winner of Valdez-Santa Cruz-Mares (the winner would be Valdez from the three).
    Then Lomachenko can put all of his belts on the line against a Rigondeaux who moves up to 126.
    Loma would then vacate and move up to 130.
    I haven't been on this site for a while, I probably wont be back for a long time.
     
  2. slender4

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    I like Lomachenko, I think he'll be a HOFfer when all is said and done, and I think he wins, but Walters is a puncher, (and a lightweight) so it will be a great matchup.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Sorry but YDKSAB leave it up to the experts, kiddo.

    Boxing Beats and Rhymes: Lomachenko vs Walters Tale of the Tape

    Two panelists asked to give each fighter a score out of 10 in each category.

    Category 1: Strength & conditioning:

    Loma 8/8
    Walters 9/9

    Category 2: Punch arsenal, punch selection and repertoire:

    Loma 8/9
    Walters 9/10

    Category 3: Resume:

    Loma 7/5
    Walters 10/7

    Category 4: Heart

    Loma 9/7
    Walters 10/9

    Category 5: Punching power

    Loma 7/6
    Walters 10/10

    Category 6: Hand speed

    Loma 10/9
    Walters 9/9

    Category 7: Ring IQ/ring generalship

    Loma 9/10
    Walters 10/10

    Category 8: Chin & Durability

    Loma 8/8
    Walters 9/9

    Category 9: Footwork

    Loma 9/10
    Walters 9/10

    Category 10: Effective aggression

    Loma 8/8
    Walters 10/10

    Category 11: Entertainment value

    Loma 8/7
    Walters 10/10

    Category 12: Body punching

    Loma 9/8
    Walters 8/9

    Category 13: All round boxing skills

    Loma 9/9
    Walters 10/10

    Category 14: Influence/impact on the sport

    Loma 5/4
    Walters 6/6

    Category 15: Defence

    Loma 7/7
    Walters 8/9

    Walters wins 12-1-2 (overall score 272 to 237) and he will knock Lomachenko spark unconscious in a couple of rounds. Consider yourself schooled.

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  4. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Serge, I'm assuming you're joking.
    Those ratings are abysmal. I'm guessing they had the Lomachenko-Russell Jr fight 115-113.
     
  5. Above Deck

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    If Walters if ever going to fight Loma, I'd do so before he gains any more experience in the pros.
    A lot of people knocked Russell Jr for taking the fight, saying it was 'career suicide', but GRJ probably thought - this will be my best chance of beating Loma, get him early in his career, because as time goes on, I think Loma will be very hard to beat. I thought he'd made a lot of improvement from his last fight - to this fight, he is improving rapidly. I think these guys need to get him in the ring now, because in a couple of years, he will blow them all out of the water.
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol

    They are beyond ridiculous. It's a combination of the two panelists not knowing sh*t about boxing, suffering from total blindness with a liberal helping of heavy racial bias thrown in too.
     
  7. kovalevtheGoat

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    i saw one youtube pundit, say hopkins would school kovalev, than pascal would ko kovalev, but even if he doesnt he would still pick stevenson to beat kovalev. :lol:
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Might have been that clown MrNattyturna he was one of the panelists. lol
     
  9. kovalevtheGoat

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    thats the wally.
     
  10. Boxingfan1234

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    I don't think Loma-Walters should marinate. I feel like Loma has bigger fish to fry in the future; Walters will be only the beginning. I know Walters will have a good career after he takes a loss to Loma. At the least, have Loma and Walters clean up the featherweight division this year (not counting the 4 Haymon fighters) and then have them fight early next year (say March). Then AFTER Loma wins, he'll move up and challenge Mr. Uchiyama.

    I'm really high on this kid, I'm probably getting carried away, but I feel like he can do it. He's for sure ready for Walters. Although, Walters has 25 fights his two best wins are Darchinyan and Donaire (former flyweights), which I feel isn't that impressive. I know some say Donaire was huge and rehydrated to 140+ and I say where is the proof? I've seen Donaire mostly come in at high 120's and low 130's (I can't recall what his weight was for Walters) on fight night, that's what is shown in the tale of the tapes from HBO at least, whether they are true or not who knows.

    The Uchiyama fight can wait a little beacuase Uchi is just a beast, but I feel Loma can be the one to eventually take him. Even sometime Next year.
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thought so.
     
  12. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Walters is too much too soon for Loma... he should try and avenge the beating Salido gave him before stepping in with the axeman
     
  13. DaProblem88

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    Axeman would run through and destroy Loma any day of the week
     
  14. VG_Addict

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    What about the fact that Walters would have an 8 inch reach advantage?
     
  15. MysticalNinja

    MysticalNinja Active Member Full Member

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    Very interesting match up (and sorry, ratings don't guarantee who would win lol). I see it as the 8 rounds being tense and close before Loma pulls away for the UD (possibly SD)