Colin Hart's top 5 all time welterweights.

Duran had a very good win over Carlos Palomino before he faced Leonard.

Cuevas, Duran and Hearns were the best 3 available welters at that time.
So, it's not as if Leonard just went and lost to a lightweight, Duran was already established in the welter division.

 

Your having a laugh. He beats 7 nobodies with a combined 31 defeats between them, plus Palomino and you say he's " established " at Welter.

 

Once again, what was lucky about it? And indeed all the examples were given, were not lucky punches...

 

He schooled Palomino who had just lost the world title in a 15-round split decision.
When you easily beat someone rated near the absolute top of the division, you are established in that division.

 

The junior-welterweight division was already well established by the 1970's, and Duran had more fights at that weight than he ever had as a lightweight.

The "career lightweight" description isn't very accurate, is it?

*You're

 

BULLSH IT.

After an initial adjustment he won thirty in a row, and scored knockout victories over future Featherweight Champion Ernesto Marcel and former Super Featherweight Champion Hiroshi Kobayashi, culminating in his first title bout in June 1972,

Durán followed up on his title winning performance with several non-title matches. Later that year, in another non-title bout, he lost a ten round decision to Esteban De Jesús. Durán got back on track with successful title defenses against Jimmy Robertson, Hector Thompson and future Lightweight Champion Guts Ishimatsu. In 1974, Durán avenged his loss to De Jesus with a brutal eleventh round knock out

Overall, Durán made twelve successful defenses of his title (eleven coming by knock out) and amassed a record of 62-1,

So YOU do the math. 30 at Lightweight and under including Buchanan, 12 title defences, PLUS non title fights at Lightweight. 8 at Welter before fighting Leonard.

When I went to school that was 50 ( plus the previously mentioned non title Lightweight fights ) so where the f&&k do you get he had more Light WELTER fights, than Lightweight, seeing as he arrived in Canada in June 1980 with a record of 72 - 1?

 

Yeah right, so we can now rest assured that Jones's Heavyweight win over the WBA champion Ruiz " established " him in that division.:rofl

I'll bet the Jones fanboys can't wait to latch on to that stupidity.

 

Yes you are right I misinterpreted his words .I gather English is not his first language.

NB His list is still sh*t.

 

This gets my attention...this makes no sense at all. Napoles would have destroyed Quartey...DESTROYED him.

 

Leonard beat 3 great fighters at 147 Hearns ,Benitez, and Duran.

 

I find it odd you rate Hearns above Leonard, when Leonard had more title defenses and kod Hearns

 

He certainly did.

That doesn't alter the facts that he had previously lost to Duran whilst an overwhelming favourite.

That Tommy Hearns was severely weight drained.

Didn't Benitez have a drug problem when only a teenager? Also were him and Leonard related by marriage?

 

Hearns had beaten Cuevas for the WBA title and made 3 defences all 4 fights were stoppage wins.

Benitez had beaten Palomino for the WBC title and defended against Harold Weston among others.
If Benitez had a drug problem it couldn't have been much of one because he hadn't lost a fight when he fought Leonard.

What his familial ties to Leonard were is irrelevant.

Both Hearns and Benitez were reigning champions , both undefeated ,and both are ATG's.

Why not just admit Leonard was a great welterweight champion ?
Everyone else ,with the exception of that lunatic Red Rooster believes him to have been so.
Rating the Welterweights the Ring had him at number 2, just behind Robinson,and so do I .

If you think that is "idiocy", then maybe you need to re-examine your position?

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/the-top-ten-welterweights-of-all-time_021612/


http://www.***********.com/-top-25-welterweights-all-time-top-ten--23544

 

It earned Jones a heavyweight ranking.
I'm not sure how you define "established".
For me, it means Duran had proven himself against some welterweights and beaten one of the world's best welters quite easily, easier than the world champion had in fact.

Never mind heavyweight, do you think Roy Jones ever established himself at 168 ?