Would Roberto Duran Go Through Floyd Mayweather Jr's Resume Undefeated?

We will see about Canelo and that will ultimately be a matter of opinion anyway. Morales and Barrera's battles with one another made each others great. It's not like their resumes were incredible prior to fighting one another.

I understand your question about JMM, but the question doesn't really matter. Because if you ask that, I can also ask which was a tougher version of Hatton, DeLaHoya, and Mosley...the ones Floyd fought or the ones Pacquaio fought?

JMM skill-wise when he fought Pacquiao the first time was not very different than JMM skill-wise when he fought Pacquaio the second time in 2008, or when he fought Floyd in 2009. So I can't say a 30 year old JMM would have been so much tougher than a 35 year old JMM. Moreover, the first fight was a draw, so this is not necessarily a credit to Manny.

 

You keep making this about Floyd vs Manny. I'm talking about what would be the tougher fights for Duran.

 

You are asking me if the version of JMM Manny fought would be a tougher fight for Duran than the version of JMM Floyd fought. Floyd and Manny are relevant to the question.

 

IMO you are also selling EM and MAB way short on their resumes, particularly EM. You are making them out to be the Rid**** Bowes of 126 and 130.

 

Not selling them short; they have good resumes but I'd argue that their acclaim was built in a large way off of their battles with one another.

 

You are trying to drag me into a conversation about Floyd's resume vs Manny's as a whole. That isn't what I'm trying to discuss. But yes I believe the versions of JMM in the first 2 fights are tougher fights than the version Floyd fought at 147. Just like I believe the version of Oscar that Floyd fought is much tougher than the version that Manny fought. You are saying "the first JMM fight was a draw so that's not really any credit to Manny". I'm not trying to give credit to Manny.

 

Yes, that's what they are best remembered for, and in EM's case the Manny trilogy as well. But take another look and their is an awful lot of depth, especially in Morales' case.

 

The first question I asked was "Who has Pacquiao fought that Floyd or Duran wouldn't beat?".

To which you replied "But Manny's fights at the lower weights are certainly more of a challenge for Roberto than Floyd's at any weight. Do you disagree?"

I am not trying to drag you into that discussion, that discussion was the very premise of the question. Your response clearly asserts that you consider Manny's fights at lower weights to pose a greater challenge to Duran than Floyds opponents at any weight, which I disagree with and gave reasons for the disagreement.

 

I would agree with this if you weren't making statements like "the first JMM fight was a draw so that's not really any credit to Manny". At that point it becomes a discussion of Floyd vs Manny and I'd prefer not to engage in that.

I think Morales or JMM from their first fights with Pac are the toughest fights on either man's resume. It's not to discredit to Floyd and I think Floyd would beat either man (while Manny came away with a loss and a draw in those fights) at 126 or 130 if the fights (and weights) were possible and had been made.

Who do you think is the best version of any fighter that either man faced if not Morales I or JMM I?

 

I said that's not a credit to Manny only to say that if we are discussing the difficulty of one persons resume against that of another, how can we count the fights in which that person had a draw or a loss? But I don't care for the Floyd vs Manny discussion either so we can leave that be.

I'm not clear on the second question though. Are you saying Morales and JMM were at thier best when they fought Pacquiao?

 

This is a great post Nonito.

As soon as I saw the thread, I said to myself 'yes' straight away.

But then I thought about it. Of course he had the ability to have beaten everyone, but if you follow the same timeline, you'd be looking at a 38 year old WW version of Roberto. Even though today's weigh ins would help him at times, it would still have been extremely tough for him.

 

You do realise Laing was Duran's 78th fight, of which he had lost only 3? One of which was avenged ( twice ), and the other 2 to Leonard, and Benitez.

Firstly can you even see Mayweather having 78 fights?

Secondly can you see Mayweather beating either Leonard or Benitez?

 

surely the fights drawn or lost rate higher in terms of the difficulty of a resume?

 

So if Pacquiao had a draw or loss against Fahsan 3K Battery, that would rate higher in difficulty than a win over Erick Morales?

 

Ofcourse duran would. floyd's resume is garbage.